High King Guan Yin Sutra?

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High King Guan Yin Sutra?

Post by Tenma » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:34 pm

Does anyone have the full Chinese version that is not something from True Buddha School? I have found the English translation to be as long as theirs, but the few Chinese versions I found only end with the mantra. Does anyone have a traditional version of this sutra?

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Re: High King Guan Yin Sutra?

Post by Sentient Light » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:21 pm

I don't believe this text is authentic.
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:buddha1: Nam mô Bổn sư Thích ca mâu ni Phật :buddha1:
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Re: High King Guan Yin Sutra?

Post by Tenma » Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:07 pm

Sentient Light wrote:
Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:21 pm
I don't believe this text is authentic.
How?

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Re: High King Guan Yin Sutra?

Post by Sentient Light » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:38 pm

Tenma wrote:
Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:07 pm

How?
Because there are no references to it in any of my searches through any canon, and the only times it is referenced is on personal blogs, web forums, some youtube videos, etc. There do not seem to be any references to a work of that title in any of the extra-canonical commentaries either. It looks like it originated with the True Buddha school, or another non-Buddhist cult like it, and has no historical relationship with Buddhism.

Now, I could be wrong--I haven't tried searching the Tripitaka itself for that title and am limited to what has been focused on in western scholarship--but it's definitely peculiar that I can find no references whatsoever that are not somehow associated with that cult.
:buddha1: Nam mô A di đà Phật :buddha1:
:bow: Nam mô Quan Thế Âm Bồ tát :bow:
:bow: Nam mô Đại Thế Chi Bồ Tát :bow:

:buddha1: Nam mô Bổn sư Thích ca mâu ni Phật :buddha1:
:bow: Nam mô Di lặc Bồ tát :bow:
:bow: Nam mô Địa tạng vương Bồ tát :bow:

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Re: High King Guan Yin Sutra?

Post by Tenma » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:36 pm

Sentient Light wrote:
Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:38 pm
Tenma wrote:
Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:07 pm

How?
Because there are no references to it in any of my searches through any canon, and the only times it is referenced is on personal blogs, web forums, some youtube videos, etc. There do not seem to be any references to a work of that title in any of the extra-canonical commentaries either. It looks like it originated with the True Buddha school, or another non-Buddhist cult like it, and has no historical relationship with Buddhism.

Now, I could be wrong--I haven't tried searching the Tripitaka itself for that title and am limited to what has been focused on in western scholarship--but it's definitely peculiar that I can find no references whatsoever that are not somehow associated with that cult.
So is the mantra fake and this sutra doesn't work?

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Re: High King Guan Yin Sutra?

Post by Grigoris » Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:11 pm

Could be a Pure Vision "Terma".
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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Re: High King Guan Yin Sutra?

Post by Tenma » Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:51 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:11 pm
Could be a Pure Vision "Terma".
Does terma even exist in Mahayana? How old is this sutra in that case and what lineage is this coming from?

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Re: High King Guan Yin Sutra?

Post by Grigoris » Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:57 pm

I was semi-joking.

I cannot see why practitioners outside of the Vajrayana cannot have "Pure Vision" experiences.
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: High King Guan Yin Sutra?

Post by crazy-man » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:03 pm

it´s not a fake sutra. you can find it here
http://tripitaka.cbeta.org/T85n2898_001

full English translation
http://www.fodian.net/world/2898.html
http://www.buddhamountain.ca/ENT2898_Th ... _Sutra.php

you can find the sutra in the Korean canon
http://www.acmuller.net/descriptive_cat ... s0062.html
Carved with an appendix by Haejin: 37th year of Sukchong (肅宗), Yi dynasty (李朝) (A.D. 1711) in Haein Monastery (海印寺).

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Re: High King Guan Yin Sutra?

Post by ItsRaining » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:40 pm

Sentient Light wrote:
Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:21 pm
I don't believe this text is authentic.
The High King Sutra isn’t really a Sutra but basicallly a ritual text someone who was about to be executed wrote (irc) and then was spared the next day which popularised it. People still chant it but it’s been criticised as inauthentic by teachers like Yunqi Zhuhong.

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