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The third Noble Truth is

Post by Viach » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:01 am

The third Noble Truth is, in essence, a possibility/an existence of possibility of cessation or the very cessation itself?

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Re: The third Noble Truth is

Post by javier.espinoza.t » Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:21 pm

Viach wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:01 am
The third Noble Truth is, in essence, a possibility/an existence of possibility of cessation or the very cessation itself?
a possibility, a way to put end to suffering
"Don't profess a view you haven't realized!
Since the view is devoid of viewing, mind essence is an expanse of great emptiness.
Since the meditation is without meditating, leave your individual experience free from fixation.
Since the conduct is without acting, it is unfabricated naturalness.
Since the fruition is without abandoning or achieving, it is the dharmakaya of great bliss.
These four sentences are words from my heart:
Contradict them and you fail to discover the nature of Ati Yoga."

Guru Padmasambhava.
From "Advice from the Lotus-Born".

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Re: The third Noble Truth is

Post by PadmaVonSamba » Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:50 am

The truth of the end of suffering mans that it is something actually attainable, as opposed to say, being able to turn into Superman.
The reason why it is attainable is because mind's original state is awakened (Bodhi).
An agitated state of mind (suffering) is not mind's natural condition.
If it were, beings would not constantly seek to be free from suffering and to have peace of mind.
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Re: The third Noble Truth is

Post by FromTheEarth » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:19 am

In one of the Chinese versions "Turning the Dharma Wheel", which should be somewhere in the Agamas but not Mahayana sutras, the three times of Buddha's turning the wheel respectively take the following form: "this is (e.g. suffering)...", "you should (e.g. eliminate the suffering)..." and "I have already (e.g. eliminated all the sufferings)."
These three are called the Turning of Direct Demonstration (示轉), the Turning of Encouragement (勸轉) and the Turning of Achievement (証轉), which corresponds to the most equipped disciples, the mediocre and the least equipped. The first sort of disciples, once having heard the possibility of cessation, would immediately understand that its realization is attainable and would be driven to pursue it. The mediocre sort would be motivated after being persuaded. The last group, while having the most doubts and suspicions, would be persuaded after Buddha testified that he had realized the cessation.
So given that I'm not an authority on this issue, regarding what you are interested in, I would be inclined to say that for different people there could be different interpretations (at least initially): the cessation is possible for all sentient beings and realizable, it is possible for me, or it is real and achieved by the Buddha. Though at the end of the day, everyone should be on the same page, when they achieve the cessation.
Of course this topic would be more complicated if we were to introduce various scholastic conceptions of the four noble truths. But based on the original sutras, it seems different but legitimate understandings could coexist from a practitioner's point of view.

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