What are the (spiritual) physics behind dedicating merit?

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Astus wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:40 pm
LastLegend wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:33 pmLet’s take some example: in quietness state, without interpretations you hear a bird chirping what is nature of mind?
What species of bird is chirping?
I don’t know. :lol:
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LastLegend wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:15 pm
Astus wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:36 pm
LastLegend wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:07 pmThe reason why your view should not be accepted is because it’s not a Mahayana view.
What do you call a Mahayana view?
It’s not simply Bodhicitta as having no bad harmful thoughts towards any sentient beings and that’s it. I call Bodhicitta the great samadhi of emptiness. What do you call emptiness?
Bodhichitta has aspiration, action and ultimate. All three are bodhichitta. This is explained by the Diamond Sutra.
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Crazywisdom wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:39 pm
LastLegend wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:15 pm
Astus wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:36 pm

What do you call a Mahayana view?
It’s not simply Bodhicitta as having no bad harmful thoughts towards any sentient beings and that’s it. I call Bodhicitta the great samadhi of emptiness. What do you call emptiness?
Bodhichitta has aspiration, action and ultimate. All three are bodhichitta. This is explained by the Diamond Sutra.
With due respect, it’s correct. How does one with samadhi of emptiness work with sentient beings isn’t clearly discussed?
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LastLegend wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:01 pm
Crazywisdom wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:39 pm
LastLegend wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:15 pm

It’s not simply Bodhicitta as having no bad harmful thoughts towards any sentient beings and that’s it. I call Bodhicitta the great samadhi of emptiness. What do you call emptiness?
Bodhichitta has aspiration, action and ultimate. All three are bodhichitta. This is explained by the Diamond Sutra.
With due respect, it’s correct. How does one with samadhi of emptiness work with sentient beings isn’t clearly discussed?
By not conceptualizing I and other and naturally assisting
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Crazywisdom wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:16 pm
LastLegend wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:01 pm
Crazywisdom wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:39 pm

Bodhichitta has aspiration, action and ultimate. All three are bodhichitta. This is explained by the Diamond Sutra.
With due respect, it’s correct. How does one with samadhi of emptiness work with sentient beings isn’t clearly discussed?
By not conceptualizing I and other and naturally assisting
If that is it, then that is it.
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NateLeo wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:39 am Hey again,

Ive recently just got more into researching "dedicating merit" to spirits and other beings, but im trying to figure out the inner mechanics behind how this works & how it benefits them. Everything ive read so far has been really vague about it.

I believe understanding the more technical aspects could help me do this better so i can help more beings in places that i cant easily reach physically. I appreciate the help!
It’s important to understand that these realms exist as dimensions of consciousness and not as physical planes. By characterizing the celestial realms as being progressively “higher” and more refined levels of existence, and the ghostly realms as being correspondingly “lower”, the purely spiritual nature of consciousness is erroneously given a material standard. The terms “going up” and “going down” are conventional figures of speech, referring to the movement of physical bodies. These terms have very little in common with the flow of consciousness, whose subtle motion is beyond temporal comparisons. Physically moving up and down requires a deliberate exertion of effort. But when the mind gravitates to higher or lower realms of consciousness, direction is merely a metaphor and involves no effort.

When saying that the heavens and the brahma worlds are arranged vertically in a series of realms, this should not be understood in the literal sense — such as, a house with many stories. These realms exist as dimensions of consciousness, and ascent is accomplished spiritually, by attuning the mind’s conscious flow to a subtler vibration of consciousness. They are ascended in the figurative sense, by a spiritual means: that is, by the heart which has developed this sort of capability through the practices of generosity, moral virtue and meditation. By saying that hell is “down below”, one does not mean going down, physically, into an abyss. Rather, it refers to descent by spiritual means to a spiritual destination. And those who are able to observe the heavens and the realms of hell do so by virtue of their own internal spiritual faculties.

For those skilled in the mysteries of the samādhi, psychic communication is as normal as any other aspect of human experience. Arising from the flow of consciousness, the essential message is transmitted in the language of the heart as fully-formed ideas, which the inquiring individual understands as clearly as if they were words in conventional language. Each thought current emanates directly from the heart, and so conveys the mind’s true feelings, and precise meaning, eliminating the need for further clarification. Verbal conversation is also a medium of the heart; but its nature is such that spoken words often fail to reflect the heart’s true feelings, so mistakes are easily made in communicating its precise intent. This incongruity is eliminated by using direct heart-to-heart communication.

http://www.forestdhamma.org/ebooks/engl ... e_Kaew.pdf
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One way or another, sooner or later, merit displays it's self as the nature of its complete accumulations, in the activities and actions that bring beings to liberation.

We create tendrils with all we're connected with and our energies co-mingle in space and our shared environment. Masters can exert an effect on their enviroment, the elements and it's inhabitants so if you belive that's possible then it's not so impossible to imagine our potential for mutual effect on one another. The degenerate age is a reflection or our declining merit and so more merit and dedication will only help slow things in our shared enviroment. We are also connected by our good aspirations.

That's one way of looking at it - another is that the merit and realisation of beings can show its self in the subtle bodies and other physical marks of beings. Im sure there are other ways of looking at it but I think most imprtant is that our own intention to dedicate for others also brings us more merit and that this will naturallly allow for wisdom and postive connections to manifest for others. As will the mantras and other sense objects that can create a positive connection between others, the teachings and their fruits.
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Vasana wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:16 pm One way or another, sooner or later, merit displays it's self as the nature of its complete accumulations, in the activities and actions that bring beings to liberation.
Disagree! Merit alone might not be enough. Supposed that a monk has accumulated merit all his life but has not reached samadhi of emptiness. Why?
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Lucas Oliveira wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:11 am
It’s important to understand that these realms exist as dimensions of consciousness and not as physical planes. By characterizing the celestial realms as being progressively “higher” and more refined levels of existence, and the ghostly realms as being correspondingly “lower”, the purely spiritual nature of consciousness is erroneously given a material standard. The terms “going up” and “going down” are conventional figures of speech, referring to the movement of physical bodies. These terms have very little in common with the flow of consciousness, whose subtle motion is beyond temporal comparisons. Physically moving up and down requires a deliberate exertion of effort. But when the mind gravitates to higher or lower realms of consciousness, direction is merely a metaphor and involves no effort.

When saying that the heavens and the brahma worlds are arranged vertically in a series of realms, this should not be understood in the literal sense — such as, a house with many stories. These realms exist as dimensions of consciousness, and ascent is accomplished spiritually, by attuning the mind’s conscious flow to a subtler vibration of consciousness. They are ascended in the figurative sense, by a spiritual means: that is, by the heart which has developed this sort of capability through the practices of generosity, moral virtue and meditation. By saying that hell is “down below”, one does not mean going down, physically, into an abyss. Rather, it refers to descent by spiritual means to a spiritual destination. And those who are able to observe the heavens and the realms of hell do so by virtue of their own internal spiritual faculties.

For those skilled in the mysteries of the samādhi, psychic communication is as normal as any other aspect of human experience. Arising from the flow of consciousness, the essential message is transmitted in the language of the heart as fully-formed ideas, which the inquiring individual understands as clearly as if they were words in conventional language. Each thought current emanates directly from the heart, and so conveys the mind’s true feelings, and precise meaning, eliminating the need for further clarification. Verbal conversation is also a medium of the heart; but its nature is such that spoken words often fail to reflect the heart’s true feelings, so mistakes are easily made in communicating its precise intent. This incongruity is eliminated by using direct heart-to-heart communication.

http://www.forestdhamma.org/ebooks/engl ... e_Kaew.pdf
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What a great teaching! So rare to hear about the other realms like this, from direct experience in meditation. Thank you :anjali:
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SilenceMonkey wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:54 pm
What a great teaching! So rare to hear about the other realms like this, from direct experience in meditation. Thank you :anjali:
This book has many spiritual experiences by Mae Chee Kaew, a Buddhist nun from Thailand.

This teaching is in the Mountain Ghost chapter.

I shared it here on the forum.. viewtopic.php?f=66&t=26304

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