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Hair Cutting Days

Post by Tiago Simões » Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:52 am

So what is the logic behind auspicious and inauspicious hair cutting days? How many of you follow them?

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Re: Hair Cutting Days

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Post by Grigoris » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:05 pm

I don't cut my hair. Problem solved! :)
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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by Lobsang Chojor » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:09 pm

I have been taught that it is based on astrological forces and it is a subtle means of affecting the conditions which can cause karma to ripen. But it's utility is preceded by you already having good karma in the first place. No matter how perfect the conditions, if you don't have any virtuous seeds left nothing virtuous will grow. If you can follow them it is like increasing your chances of good happening, and if you ignore them it increases your chances for bad. But the change is not huge, the forces aren't that powerful. And if you haven't created the karma previously for either those good or bad things to happen then the conditions won't matter.
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Post by Simon E. » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:26 pm

My hair cutting days follow closely an auspicious alignment between the car being available for a short trip to the next town and the Turkish guys that run it opening the shop.
Subtle cosmic vibes also result in a free coffee and, when I pay, a piece of Turkish Delight on a toothpick.

Om to all that. 8-)
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Post by Mantrik » Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:05 am

PeterC wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:59 am
https://fpmt.org/wp-content/uploads/tea ... _lzr08.pdf

I generally follow. Can’t hurt.
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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by Simon E. » Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:45 pm

I was thinking of having a trim tomorrow, but I don't want eye pain..no siree.

:( Scissors in the eye presumably.
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Post by Lobsang Chojor » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:15 pm

I need to shave today so it's great power, which presumably is the ability to get all my hair and not cut myself :smile:

Simon which calendar do you use, the Tsurphu calendar?
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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by Simon E. » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:51 pm

I use a calendar I bought online because I like the pictures.
I stopped being a pretend Tibetan about the same time that I reverted to my birth name.
Its all just more stuff to clear away.
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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by Tiago Simões » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:53 pm

Simon E. wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:51 pm
I use a calendar I bought online because I like the pictures.
I stopped being a pretend Tibetan about the same time that I reverted to my birth name.
Its all just more stuff to clear away.
Using the Tibetan lunar calendar is "pretending to be tibetan"?

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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by dzogchungpa » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:35 pm

Tiago Simões wrote:
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Simon E. wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:51 pm
I use a calendar I bought online because I like the pictures.
I stopped being a pretend Tibetan about the same time that I reverted to my birth name.
Its all just more stuff to clear away.
Using the Tibetan lunar calendar is "pretending to be tibetan"?

Well, I look at the Tibetan lunar calendar to know when Dakini day is, since I have a commitment to do a particular practice then, and I don't think I'm a pretend Tibetan. Then again, I'm just a beginner and Simone is an advanced practitioner, so what do I know? :shrug:
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Post by Simon E. » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:08 am

I stopped thinking of myself as a would-be 'advanced practitioner' or as a less 'advanced practitioner' about the same time as I stopped pretending to be a Tibetan.
Whats left?

The River Thames at high tide. The hills of Surrey in the rain.
Same as it ever was.
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Post by Grigoris » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:42 am

Simon E. wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:08 am
I stopped thinking of myself as a would-be 'advanced practitioner' or as a less 'advanced practitioner' about the same time as I stopped pretending to be a Tibetan.
Whats left?

The River Thames at high tide. The hills of Surrey in the rain.
Same as it ever was.
So now you pretend to be an English gentleman? :)
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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by Simon E. » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:00 am

I am an Englishman..a gentleman? I am not sure.
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Post by dzogchungpa » Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:42 pm

Simon E. wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:00 am
I am an Englishman..a gentleman? I am not sure.

Well, at least you got to behave like a condescending knob end towards some people discussing the use of the Tibetan calendar in the Tibetan Buddhism forum, and that's what matters.
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Post by Norwegian » Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:25 pm

When it comes to Tibetan astrology and the elements, I pay close attention what my teachers have to say on this, in particular and especially Chogyal Namkhai Norbu.

ChNN has taught this to his students for many decades now. He has written a book on the subject matter for his students, a key to the Tibetan calendar, and every year there's a publication of a regular Tibetan calendar and a special Tibetan calendar. Furthermore, he always gives transmission of the Namkha practice, so that his students can empower the Namkha when necessary. And of course the Namkha practice is very much related to Tibetan astrology and the elements. Likewise he has taught the Four Methods, which is yet another practice related to Tibetan astrology and the elements. So, he is clarifying many aspects of this for his students, for their benefit on the path as practitioners, and not as some sort of silly cultural manifestation that is only of interest (or use) for Tibetans. Also, Men-Tsee Khang institute requested ChNN to write a short introduction to their introductory book on Tibetan Astrology as well.

Moreover, Manjushri himself taught the astrology of the elements, and that's the teachings of a major Bodhisattva, who for what it's worth, is not Tibetan...

Perhaps much of this may seem trivial and inane, like good or bad days for cutting your hair, but our cyclical existence is categorized into time periods, whether massively large (like eons) or extremely small, like seconds (or even fractions of sections) and each cycle or period is ruled by (or affected by) various factors, including sentient beings.

The point is not to become paranoid and to become a slave of these systems (something ChNN has also warned against, like people who become so obsessed with astrology that they have to check if it's a good day or not to even use toilet paper), but the point is to utilize them in order to live harmoniously with the environment and the infinite sentient beings we live with, whether seen or unseen. To coordinate our energy, to stabilize, improve, etc.

I think it's clear that if this was just a silly Tibetan cultural custom that had no value outside the sphere of Tibetans and their special interests (being completely irrelevant for non-Tibetans), then ChNN would never waste that much time on teaching it. Nor would his teachings have all of these aspects to them, nor would he state that they can be of tremendous benefit for all of humanity.

Should you look at the calendar for when you cut your hair? I don't know. That's up to you. Maybe for some it would be useful, perhaps it'll minimize obstacles or minor issues that can come to fruition, and maybe for others it's meaningless. Certainly cutting ones hair is of less importance than getting major surgery for example.

But I think that to dismiss all of this as something only Tibetans do, and that if you do partake in it, you're somehow a pretend-Tibetan, this is a big error. Teachings on Astrology and the elements are intimately part of Vajrayana and Dzogchen.

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Post by Mantrik » Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:49 pm

Simon E. wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:51 pm
I use a calendar I bought online because I like the pictures.
I stopped being a pretend Tibetan about the same time that I reverted to my birth name.
Its all just more stuff to clear away.
Baby...........bathwater analogy.

ChNN may be wasting his time producing a calendar for non-Tibetan non-Indian non-Chinese Dzogchenpas too, but what is the better alternative you have discovered to all this Tibetan cultural accretion?

If you have been given a Tibetan name, Tibetan practices, Tibetan terms etc etc. why make an effort to discard them? Were they obstructiive to practice? The problem is that we may abandon attachment to one set of behaviours and just replace it with another.

Isn't your birth name just another one given to you, and you are creating an attachment to it, exactly the same in nature as attachment to one given to you by your Guru?

If my DNA is anything to go by I should now be chucking it all in, chasing Odin instead of Vajrakila and playing the bodhran Irish drum instead of the damaru.

Hmm, I sense a marketing opportunity:
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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by Simon E. » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:08 pm

I'm pretty sure I have seen classes in something pretty close to that advertised in Glastonbury High Street Mantrik.. :smile:
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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by Simon E. » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:27 pm

Student to CTR. " Should I learn Tibetan, Rinpoche?

CTR. No. Just get Enlightened.

Student. 'is learning Tibetan an obstacle to practice?'

CTR. In your case... probably.


In his case...
Please note neither in this thread or any other do I ever say what others should or should not do.
For the simple reason that I have no idea what others should or should not do.
That's between them and their teacher.
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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by Virgo » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:12 pm

PeterC wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:59 am
https://fpmt.org/wp-content/uploads/tea ... _lzr08.pdf

I generally follow. Can’t hurt.
Also, if possible, one can avoid the ox, tiger, and dog days as prejudiced to life. The pig day is good. Some gyukars (nakshatras) are said to be good (0,4,6,7,12,13,14,17,21b,22,23, and 26 by Tibetan count, add 1 for Vedic count), also even though 15'th lunar day is listed as good it is better to avoid it as well as the new moon.

In India there is a system of weekdays with Saturday being the worst. The bad days are Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, and Sunday. Saturday is the worst. Sunday is only marginally bad. This is from an Indian system.

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