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Re: Torma

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:06 am
by Dharmaswede
Great thread, and absolutely wonderful pictures! Any suggestions on books on the topic?

Best Regards,

Jens

Re: Torma

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:55 am
by Grigoris
I think a lot of confusion also arises because dudsti refer sometimes to the men and sometimes to water sanctified by the amritakundali mantra.
:namaste:

Re: Torma

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:06 pm
by dzinamitra
Hello,

I have found your topic on torma and wanted to share you some of my work done alone for the 29th day of tibetan month in my home (medium mahakala puja). I have do some other style of torma in the Kagyu and Nyingma (Dudjom Tersar, Namcho, Chokling) tradition too.

In this fact I am actively searching a book called "Mindroling Torma", I anybody have it and or know how can I purchase it, I'm really interessted... Thank you.

Ngakpa Choying Dorje

Re: Torma

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:09 pm
by conebeckham
Good work, Dzinamitra! Do you do the Tsendring at your house regularly? That's pretty cool!

Re: Torma

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:28 pm
by Yudron
Nice gotram! What's it for?

Re: Torma

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:48 pm
by conebeckham
That gotram is on top of the Chagdrupa central torma, I think? Shangpa Mahakala.....

Re: Torma

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:15 pm
by dzinamitra
Hello,

Yes I try to do Tsendring regularly, but doing all this alone it's sometime hard because I must prepare all the tormas alone and I must concil with my professionnal activity. And then doing the puja alone too, because people in our sangha don't read/speak tibetan and I think there is no phonetic version of tsendring. I do sometime too the long puja of Mahakala chadrupa for this reason you have seen his permanent torma. And some 29th day I do the 2... Tsendring and the long Chadrugpa the same day. Sometime other puja like Dorje Drolod or other special practices.

And yes this is the Shangpa tradition of the 6 armed Mahakala torma. My master have made his formation since very young in Sonada and he did his 3 years retreat there too, he is Karma/Shangpa Kagyu, but he is too a Nyingma master receiving many teachings from his father who was a master, Dudjom Rinpoche, Khenpo Nyoshul Rinpoche and some other important master. For this reason I'm in these 2 "courants" Karma Kagyu and Dudjom Tersar :)

You can see all the torma aranged in the altar on this picture. And thank you for your encouragement :twothumbsup:

Ngakpa Choying Dorje

Re: Torma

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:23 pm
by dzinamitra
and I wanted to share you an intersting material for making tormas : petit beurre (see the picture).

In this biscuit you have : flour, butter, milk (the 3 white) and sugar. I crush them with a mixer making a flour and I put some water and/or the other 3 sweet and this a really pretty good materiel very easy to work for making tormas. 100% tastefull for the Tsoktor and in my country you can find these coockies in all supermarket very easilly. All my tormas you are seeing the last picture are made with this.

Best wishes.

Ngakpa Choying Dorje

Re: Torma

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:31 pm
by conebeckham
Love the Crushed Biscuit method! Never heard of that, will try it sometime!

Re: Torma

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:39 pm
by dzinamitra
Yes try and tell me :) before I was making myself my own tsampa, this was long and lost of time without making other practice. And one day I have had this idea :smile: I showed at my master who approved my method enjoyed.

Like all things I do like making tormas I show at my master. All of my tormas works are 100% autodidact fortunately and unfortunately because sometime I think I can do more if an expert chopon showed me, but when I make a Lhator from picture or tibetan manual I show later at my master who approve or correct me if necessary.

Re: Torma

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:24 pm
by conebeckham
Hey, Dzinamitra, check your personal messages....thanks! :smile:

Re: Torma

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:20 am
by VajraLion
Hey everyone, saw a few mentions of people having trouble obtaining tsampa in the west. I get mine from this site www.tibetantsampa.com and it works great.

Re: Torma

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:42 pm
by Tsultrim T.
Dzinamitra, Here is the Mindroling Torma Manual: http://www.khenchenrinpoche.org/text.htm

Re: Torma

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:29 am
by conebeckham
Looks cool, but that page has nothing to click..no links, etc.

It's just an illustration of the covers of three books plus a pecha...???

Re: Torma

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:24 am
by Tsultrim T.
You can contact mindrolling@gmail.com to order any of the books. They are printed in in India.

Re: Torma

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:19 pm
by haha
this link might be useful.

Tsurphu Tradition offering Tormas (TSURLUG TORMAS) drawn by Ven. Lama Tenzin Gyurmed.

http://www.dharmadownload.net/download/ ... kTorma.zip

The text is in Tibetan.

Re: Torma

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:29 am
by ngodrup
Wow!
Now, who can read cursive?

Re: Torma

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:05 am
by conebeckham
Ku Yik? I can guess...but I have an edition of this with UChen, and actually an English Translation of the Tsurphu torma manual is available from KTD.

I have it. If you need to identify a given torma, in the Kamtsang or Tsurphu tradition, I can tell ya...

Word was, they were going to do a Shangpa version--Bokar Rinpoche had apparently comissioned the work, but we're still waiting...

Re: Torma

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 2:10 pm
by tomfelt
This is a fascinating and useful thread. I appreciate the knowledge that you share.

Three questions: 1. I am practicing Vajrkilaya right now, and the sadhana makes a big deal of the torma offering (Tsasum Lingpa's "Dark Red Amulet of Unsurpassable Yang-Phur"). My teacher, Khenpo Tsewang Dongyal Rinpoche, made a beautiful, complicated torma for the communal practice, but at home I'd like to offer something much simpler. Unfortunately, he did not give any instructions on torma offerings, and he's such a busy man that there is little opportunity to approach him about something so mundane. Any thoughts of color, shape, and decorations for this deity practice?

2. I saw mention in this thread of the kapalas on the shrine and the rakta and mentor that are kept therein. What is the actual substance of each? Like, what do I buy at the store for this?

Finally, I change my mandala offering every 14 days on the new and full moons. Would I also change the torma and the kapala substances at that time, or are they disposed of sooner or later?

Thanks for any help you can offer a raging nube.

Re: Torma

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 2:49 pm
by tomfelt
how does one add an image?