Motova wrote:It appears everyone got hung up on the title. I have found some quotes recently that seem to answer what I have been experiencing, and it seems to be almost exactly how I remember explaining it in this thread. But Greg decided to delete my post and halt the thread, no hard feelings Greg.Sherab Dorje wrote:
If Motova wishes to discuss his experiences with people via Private Message, it is completely up to them, accounts of and discussion concerning his specific experiences in this thread are now officially over.
I anybody wishes to post some more in- depth information or links to nimitta now would be a good time to do it.
PS No more teasing and snide remarks.
"Generally, the visions begin with lights and patterns of light. The Light is colored - often one or two colors will dominate, or a color may not manifest at all. There are specific shapes and colors associated with each element as it begins to manifest in its purer form: square yellow shapes for earth; circular blue shapes for water; triangular red shapes for fire; green rectangular shapes for air; and white semicircular shapes for space. Eventually fragments of images appear, usually fleeting and unclear. Over time they become whole and stable. The progression is not random. As the practice deepens, the main channels and chakras open and karmic blocks and habitual tendencies dissolve in the nature of mind. The obscurations that clothe the pure elements in apparent substantiality are cleared and the visions become correspondingly purer. They become more complete and vivid, and the colors are more balanced. Visions of deities, goddesses, mandalas, sacred syllables, and symbols arise."
Wangyal, Tenzin, and Mark Dahlby. Healing with form, energy and light: the five elements in Tibetan Shamanism, Tantra, and Dzogchen. Ithaca, NY: Snow Lion Pub., 2002. Print.
"More specifically, during the first stage there are two lights, one internal and one external. When we start to practice, we feel as if a light or coming out of us. Here the symbol of the light is the "tigle of the rigpa of the color of glass," which means one feels as if one were looking through the bottom of a glass. The tigles are very luminous and can vary in size; the smallest can be the size of a pea, others can be much bigger. Also many tigles can appear joined together in various ways, horizontally, vertically, etc., forming strands or chains, in which case they are called the "the right of compassion" or the "silver thread," as they are white and luminous and resemble silver. The tigles can appear singly or joined together; there are no limits to possibilities of vision.
"At times it seems it is the vision that is moving, at other times we might think it is our eyes, or that the movement is internal, the inner energy of rigpa. In fact, in togel everything is connected: external vision, the eyes, and the internal energy, and in the first stage everything moves together. But it is important to understand that once presence is adequately stable we can stop the movement. This is what is described as "catching the fish in the net of darkness," fixing the movement through stable presence."
Wangyal, Tenzin, and Andrew Lukianowicz. Wonders of the natural mind: the essence of Dzogchen in the native Bon tradition of Tibet. Ithaca, NY: Snow Lion Publications, 2000. Print.
You seriously believe you are a dzogchen practitioner because you can provoke some light phenomenon when you concentrate your mind in a certain way?
You really need a teacher. Although I am not sure you will like what he is going to tell you.