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(Though it wasn't my intention to open a discussion about these scandals, maybe in another thread if somebody's interested.)
"I struggled with some demons, They were middle class and tame..." L. Cohen
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I think this is really interesting.Challenge23 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:19 pmActually that isn't quite true. When you look at the profiles of people who end up belonging to predatory religious sects(I would have researched them for a living if there was any money in it, I've studied them for well over a decade now) was not related to education or skills(there was a wide variety of skill sets and levels of learning and experience).Johnny Dangerous wrote:I think that's actually quite fair.
That is not victim blaming, it is just true..typically the people most attracted to those kinds of setups IME are the same people who lack the skills to know when they are being taken advantage of, which of course makes them the prime demographic for recruitment.
The primary link is that the vast majority of people who are involved with PRS at the time of recruitment were in a transitional life phase. Students who just got out of school, divorcees, people with children that moved out recently, people who lost their jobs, etc. Oddly enough the absolute best defense against PRS is a mix of being closed minded and in an unshakable routine.
I sought out explicit Dzogchen teachings in order to understand the very disorienting meditation experience I had. It was so very profound, but I was coming from a place with no real background or support for this type experience.
In the process of seeking out teachings I was VERY aware of being extremely vulnerable, and could easily imagine falling into some type predatory situation if circumstances had been different (the solid grounding of needing to take care of my family helped).
If someone approaches a group sincerely and then has very powerful experiences (as is kind of guaranteed if you're practicing tantric yogas) they can easily be manipulated by a predator.
That is SO true. Yikes!dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:29 pmThat sounds like a pretty good defense against authentic Buddhism too.Challenge23 wrote:Oddly enough the absolute best defense against PRS is a mix of being closed minded and in an unshakable routine.
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I don't know about the other examples, but you can hardly credit Blavatsky or the Theosophical society with an actual introduction of anything genuinely Tibetan.
Her hidden "Tibetan" Masters were not even Tibetan in her imagination, but a deliberate blind to protect her (real life) teachers. Quoting myself from another thread:
climb-up wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:32 pm ...below is a Facebook post I madeHeres the link to the podcast:from facebook wrote: To quote Smee, "Lightning has struck my brain!"
I've gone down a rabbit hole of probably 12+ hours of Poke Runyon's podcasts in the past week, but this one got me excited!
He breaks down not only the real history of the hidden master in the Order of Strict Observance, but the history the BLAVATSKY had REAL 'secret masters' (ie. real people such as Ranbir Singh) was Kashmiri, and the Tibetanness and ascendedness were political blinds!!!! (the idea came about partially due to her early involvement in strict observance).
Blavatsky forced the hand of the Golden Dawn and their "secret chiefs", which Crowley also took up ("To Mega Therion" being thought to be an ascended master by many at the time, not a motto/pen-name) and we were off.
GOOD TIMES!!!
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/the-hermet ... mes-a-cult
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fascinating that Blavatsky had real teachers, I always assumed she was just making it up. Cool
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Me too!!!
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So you mean those "notorious" magicians were telling the truth? So the comparison with Shambala, Christ's Coming, Krishna's coming, and so on are accurate? What about the Aleister Crowley who practiced occult such as the Key of Solomon and so on? Working with demons, scrying, magic, sex, and so on are of the path?
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Not our path. Though I personally think Crowley was one of the best of his generation, rascal, though he may have been. 93/93
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and that is being generous.. in my view he doesn't even try to be factual these daysemaho wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:47 pmReally? What do you like about this site? I just took a look at some articles at that site and it looks to me like he doesn't even try to be objective.honestdboy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:17 am That's interesting reading, but it only mentions the bad side of TB. I prefer Bill Schwartz's Tinfoil page, which is critical but sometimes has something good to say about TB: https://tinfoilushnisha.wordpress.com/
(I didn't remember him being so whacked out years ago though; the blogs used to be worth checking once in awhile)
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Interesting and likely but not was I was talking about, Malcolm. I was referring to what someone said previously about her having teachers she did, more or less, understand, in other traditions.
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Okay, nevermind then. So the comparison of Shambala, Maitreya, the Messiah, and so on are wrong. Got it.
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Well, the Messiah is the anointed of God, and Ven Maitreya would probably say that there is no God. So that is one issue I can think of.
Then, the monks uttered this gāthā:
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
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There were at least two Ahnenerbe expeditions but the people sent were not "Nazi chiefs and those leaders".
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Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
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Chatral Rinpoche wanted to meet a "Jesus Lama".Malcolm wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:23 pmApproving what sense? You think they approved of his Catholic views? What they approved of was his interest in Buddhism.smcj wrote: HHDL was very fond and approving of Thomas Merton. So was Chatrul R. I doubt their assessment was dependent on Merton's passing a Madhyamaka quiz.
Kirt
“Where do atomic bombs come from?”
Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
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HHDL also does talk about meeting some monks (one in particular) who he felt had good qualities. He asked a particualr monk about his practice and was told that the monk in question meditated upon love.
Kirt
“Where do atomic bombs come from?”
Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
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was it from the book "the Good Heart" possibly? (based on his talk at the 1994 John Main Seminar hosted by the World Community for Christian Meditation.)
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Yeah, it's just fascinating that she actually had real life teachers.
Of course nothing she said was Tibetan. I'm surprised that you're saying she actually met any Mongolian geshes, but based on her worldview she would be almost guaranteed to misunderstand everything they said. How could she not.
That was my original point, she can't be trusted as an early source of Tibetan... ...anything!
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I'm only mentioning because I think you may have misunderstood one of my posts, but what makes you say this?Tenma wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:40 pm So you mean those "notorious" magicians were telling the truth? So the comparison with Shambala, Christ's Coming, Krishna's coming, and so on are accurate? What about the Aleister Crowley who practiced occult such as the Key of Solomon and so on? Working with demons, scrying, magic, sex, and so on are of the path?
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Did you not read my change in understanding after having that question debunked?climb-up wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:39 amI'm only mentioning because I think you may have misunderstood one of my posts, but what makes you say this?Tenma wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:40 pm So you mean those "notorious" magicians were telling the truth? So the comparison with Shambala, Christ's Coming, Krishna's coming, and so on are accurate? What about the Aleister Crowley who practiced occult such as the Key of Solomon and so on? Working with demons, scrying, magic, sex, and so on are of the path?
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I was still curious what made you think it in the first place and if it was based on how I phrased my initial post.Tenma wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:45 amDid you not read my change in understanding after having that question debunked?climb-up wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:39 amI'm only mentioning because I think you may have misunderstood one of my posts, but what makes you say this?Tenma wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:40 pm So you mean those "notorious" magicians were telling the truth? So the comparison with Shambala, Christ's Coming, Krishna's coming, and so on are accurate? What about the Aleister Crowley who practiced occult such as the Key of Solomon and so on? Working with demons, scrying, magic, sex, and so on are of the path?
"Death's second name is 'omnipresent.' On the relative truth it seems we become separate. But on the absolute there is no separation." Lama Dawa