Minimum prerequisites for physical karmamudra practice?

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Minimum prerequisites for physical karmamudra practice?

Post by ConradTree » Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:04 pm

My understanding is that both people should be nonmonks, and both people should have the correct empowerments.

I believe these are the only formal prerequisites.

What do you think?

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Re: Minimum prerequisites for physical karmamudra practice?

Post by Grigoris » Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:13 pm

I think you should ask your teacher.
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Re: Minimum prerequisites for physical karmamudra practice?

Post by Malcolm » Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:15 pm

ConradTree wrote:My understanding is that both people should be nonmonks, and both people should have the correct empowerments.

I believe these are the only formal prerequisites.

What do you think?

And they should be between the ages of 16 and 26, since the channels, cakras and elements begin to deteriorate after this point.

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Re: Minimum prerequisites for physical karmamudra practice?

Post by ConradTree » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:32 pm

Malcolm wrote:
ConradTree wrote:My understanding is that both people should be nonmonks, and both people should have the correct empowerments.

I believe these are the only formal prerequisites.

What do you think?

And they should be between the ages of 16 and 26, since the channels, cakras and elements begin to deteriorate after this point.
Is this age thing a requirement or a recomendation?

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Re: Minimum prerequisites for physical karmamudra practice?

Post by Malcolm » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:34 pm

ConradTree wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
ConradTree wrote:My understanding is that both people should be nonmonks, and both people should have the correct empowerments.

I believe these are the only formal prerequisites.

What do you think?

And they should be between the ages of 16 and 26, since the channels, cakras and elements begin to deteriorate after this point.
Is this age thing a requirement or a recomendation?
You can try, but the main reason most people do not do consort practice is that they are too old.

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Re: Minimum prerequisites for physical karmamudra practice?

Post by ConradTree » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:48 pm

Ok thanks.

This should clear up some confusion other people have.

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Re: Minimum prerequisites for physical karmamudra practice?

Post by ngodrup » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:59 pm

Malcolm wrote:
ConradTree wrote:My understanding is that both people should be nonmonks, and both people should have the correct empowerments.

I believe these are the only formal prerequisites.

What do you think?

And they should be between the ages of 16 and 26, since the channels, cakras and elements begin to deteriorate after this point.
This last from Malcolm is what I have read. Now, the question-- how would a monastic, in a Sarma tradition that
emphasizes sutrayana training and scholarship accomplish Kye-rim such as to be qualified before age 26? At what
age are most granted either Khenpo or Geshe degrees? For a completely different take, it might be useful to read
Nyingma sources such as commentaries on the Mindrolling Vajrasattva.

I have also read that at the beginning of your practice, your Root Lama ascertains whether having a physical consort
is required in your case. If so the Lama will find and recommend him or her to you. So there are two points-- this
aspect of practice is not self directed and suggests that one pursuing a yogic path rather than an academic one.

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Re: Minimum prerequisites for physical karmamudra practice?

Post by ConradTree » Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:04 pm

A monastic has to give up his monkhood.

This is not rocket science people.

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Re: Minimum prerequisites for physical karmamudra practice?

Post by Pero » Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:45 pm

Malcolm wrote:
ConradTree wrote:My understanding is that both people should be nonmonks, and both people should have the correct empowerments.

I believe these are the only formal prerequisites.

What do you think?

And they should be between the ages of 16 and 26, since the channels, cakras and elements begin to deteriorate after this point.
God dammit man, couldn't you have said something sooner? Now my dream is ruined. :crying:
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Re: Minimum prerequisites for physical karmamudra practice?

Post by Arnoud » Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:39 pm

Malcolm wrote: And they should be between the ages of 16 and 26, since the channels, cakras and elements begin to deteriorate after this point.
What about all those old Lama's taking on young consorts? Often after never having done consort practice before. Does that mean the purpose is different for them or are their prana and channels young like a 16 year olds?

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Re: Minimum prerequisites for physical karmamudra practice?

Post by Malcolm » Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:47 pm

Clarence wrote:
Malcolm wrote: And they should be between the ages of 16 and 26, since the channels, cakras and elements begin to deteriorate after this point.
What about all those old Lama's taking on young consorts? Often after never having done consort practice before. Does that mean the purpose is different for them or are their prana and channels young like a 16 year olds?
They do so for life extension.

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Re: Minimum prerequisites for physical karmamudra practice?

Post by ConradTree » Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:55 pm

Malcolm wrote: And they should be between the ages of 16 and 26, since the channels, cakras and elements begin to deteriorate after this point.

Assuming both people are nonmonks and have the correct empowerments, does one need oral instruction on the practice?

Or can one proceed from reading texts?

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Re: Minimum prerequisites for physical karmamudra practice?

Post by Arnoud » Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:08 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Clarence wrote:
Malcolm wrote: And they should be between the ages of 16 and 26, since the channels, cakras and elements begin to deteriorate after this point.
What about all those old Lama's taking on young consorts? Often after never having done consort practice before. Does that mean the purpose is different for them or are their prana and channels young like a 16 year olds?
They do so for life extension.
Why? How does it lengthen their life? Does it make the channels and so on younger?

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Re: Minimum prerequisites for physical karmamudra practice?

Post by dzogchungpa » Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:20 pm

Clarence wrote:Why? How does it lengthen their life? Does it make the channels and so on younger?
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Re: Minimum prerequisites for physical karmamudra practice?

Post by Grigoris » Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:36 pm

ConradTree wrote:Assuming both people are nonmonks and have the correct empowerments, does one need oral instruction on the practice?

Or can one proceed from reading texts?
:rolling:

You're joking, right?
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
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Re: Minimum prerequisites for physical karmamudra practice?

Post by ConradTree » Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:50 pm

Sherab Dorje wrote: You're joking, right?

No joking here.

Whats wrong with trying to learn?
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Re: Minimum prerequisites for physical karmamudra practice?

Post by ConradTree » Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:51 pm

ConradTree wrote:
Malcolm wrote: And they should be between the ages of 16 and 26, since the channels, cakras and elements begin to deteriorate after this point.

Assuming both people are nonmonks and have the correct empowerments, does one need oral instruction on the practice?

Or can one proceed from reading texts?
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Re: Minimum prerequisites for physical karmamudra practice?

Post by Malcolm » Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:55 pm

ConradTree wrote:
ConradTree wrote:
Malcolm wrote: And they should be between the ages of 16 and 26, since the channels, cakras and elements begin to deteriorate after this point.

Assuming both people are nonmonks and have the correct empowerments, does one need oral instruction on the practice?

Or can one proceed from reading texts?
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You need an explanation.

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Re: Minimum prerequisites for physical karmamudra practice?

Post by ConradTree » Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:58 pm

Malcolm wrote:
You need an explanation.
Ok thanks. This should help a lot of people.

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Re: Minimum prerequisites for physical karmamudra practice?

Post by ConradTree » Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:23 pm

And you said that if one person has empowerments, and the other person doesn't, they are not allowed to have even ordinary sex:

http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.ph ... 200#p57200

http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.ph ... 200#p57288

http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.ph ... 200#p57290

Is that right?

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