claim about Fifth Dalai Lama

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Re: claim about Fifth Dalai Lama

Post by ngodrup » Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:00 pm

This is a very important point from HHDL.
Really, Vajrayana is supposed to be practiced by
people of the highest capacity. The should be able
to take the essence and at the same time avoid faults
while maintaining pure perception. That's a tall order,
but not impossible. But the risk is, if you don't have
subtle reasoning, then you justify your delusion. Non-dual
wisdom mind doesn't have much chance of arising in the
presence of dualistic thinking.

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Re: claim about Fifth Dalai Lama

Post by lorem » Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:13 pm

Yes that's why cannot really judge Marpa or Ra Lotsawa, etc. May have been expedient means to act. Higher level bodhisattvas and then ordinary me--cannot talk for you.

Hopefully not poison. But again that is why one would pray to a protector, for example Dorje Lekpa, in metaphorically graphic terms. Strike me with a thunderbolt (not literally kill) but teach me. Rip out my heart, etc.

EDIT These things are out in the open in the West. People can read a newspaper or the Internet if they choose.
I should be meditating.

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Re: claim about Fifth Dalai Lama

Post by ngodrup » Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:49 pm

The press and internet are not well known for nuanced presentation.

Protectors, done appropriately, are very important for those of us that
live in the west. I imagine in those parts of Asia that are very impacted
by the modern world, too. Distraction, ego, etc. We need all the help we
can get to be genuine, sincere, present, authentic, kind... oh just the
seven noble human qualities...
"may the penetrate the minds of all sentient beings a so bring peace and
happiness to the world. Grant your blessing so that all our wishes be
spontaneously accomplished."

Mahakala, Palden Lhamo, Lord Gesar, and all the rest-- please help us.

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Re: claim about Fifth Dalai Lama

Post by Arjan Dirkse » Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:54 pm

Is the history of Buddhism free of violence, murder, greed, fraud, manipulation, falsehood, corruption, manipulators, egomaniacs, and tyrants? Probably not. Just as there were some (or many) popes who were guilty of the worst of crimes, I think the same is probably true for Dalai Lamas and Karmapas and all similar lineages. Were any children killed in war? Yes. It happens in every war, and it is a tragedy. War is always a tragedy.

All we can change is where we go from here. The past is for historians to sort out.

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Re: claim about Fifth Dalai Lama

Post by lorem » Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:59 pm

Agree.
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Re: claim about Fifth Dalai Lama

Post by Arjan Dirkse » Sat Oct 25, 2014 6:33 pm

Reading it back, my previous post seems a bit too negative about Buddhism maybe - that wasn't my intention. I guess my main point is just to remember Buddhism is practised by human beings and human beings are fallible.

I am sure Buddhism can be a hugely positive influence, but when some part of it, or its history, is criticized I think it is good to do an honest examination for the truth and not get overly defensive.

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Re: claim about Fifth Dalai Lama

Post by hop.pala » Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:16 pm

Reading it back, my previous post seems a bit too negative about Buddhism maybe - that wasn't my intention. I guess my main point is just to remember Buddhism is practised by human beings and human beings are fallible.
That is,no living god resident on the earth.

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Re: claim about Fifth Dalai Lama

Post by Grigoris » Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:09 pm

hop.pala wrote:
Reading it back, my previous post seems a bit too negative about Buddhism maybe - that wasn't my intention. I guess my main point is just to remember Buddhism is practised by human beings and human beings are fallible.
That is,no living god resident on the earth.
God?
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: claim about Fifth Dalai Lama

Post by lorem » Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:45 am

hop.pala wrote:That is,no living god resident on the earth.
no creator on earth yes.

some travelers heard that their lama was near and wanted to offer prostrations. they approached the tent where this lama was and outside were three lamas talking. they asked is lama so-and-so here and the three lamas replied: no, no, no "lama" here. dejected they started to leave but fortunately the lama inside the tent had heard them and came outside to greet them.

do with it what "you" will.
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Re: claim about Fifth Dalai Lama

Post by muni » Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:46 am

lorem wrote:
hop.pala wrote:That is,no living god resident on the earth.
no creator on earth yes.

some travelers heard that their lama was near and wanted to offer prostrations. they approached the tent where this lama was and outside were three lamas talking. they asked is lama so-and-so here and the three lamas replied: no, no, no "lama" here. dejected they started to leave but fortunately the lama inside the tent had heard them and came outside to greet them.

do with it what "you" will.


I like what you say and this little story. I cannot express what it seems to express. I think that words like divine, devotion are expressing the existence-non-existence.
It doesn’t matter to say god or lama, there is just nature expressing.
Buddha said all is empty like my brain.
Let’s make a selfie!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HySLYcu2ULA
Having meditated on love and compassion, I forgot the difference between myself and others. Yogi Milarepa.

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