Why is Oral Sex Considered Sexual Misconduct?

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Why is Oral Sex Considered Sexual Misconduct?

Post by Motova » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:30 am

Why is Oral Sex Considered Sexual Misconduct?

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Re: Why is Oral Sex Considered Sexual Misconduct?

Post by Loren » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:49 am

Motova wrote:Why is Oral Sex Considered Sexual Misconduct?

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I've often wondered this. Think it has something to do with the channels, drops, the fluids etc. Why is it?
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Re: Why is Oral Sex Considered Sexual Misconduct?

Post by Mkoll » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:05 am

Is it really sexual misconduct if it's in between two consenting and independent adults? Which tradition is this a rule in?
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Re: Why is Oral Sex Considered Sexual Misconduct?

Post by WuMing » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:38 am

I think all of the Tibetan Buddhist schools regard oral and anal sex as inappropriate. This goes back to the Indian Buddhist tradition, e.g. the Abhidharmakosha (not entirely sure anymore about that text), or Ashvaghosha and Atisha. In Tibet one finds it in Gampopa's Jewel Ornament of Liberation which is the Kagyu tradition. In Patrul Rinpoche's book Words of my perfect teacher one can find it as well (Nyingma).

The reason might be that having sex using these inappropriate body parts (mouth or the anus) can only come from desire.
今以佛眼觀之佛與眾生同住解脫之床。無此無彼無二平等。
Now, observing with the eye of the Buddha, both the Buddha and ordinary beings are in the same liberated state. There is neither this nor that: there is only non-duality and identity.
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Re: Why is Oral Sex Considered Sexual Misconduct?

Post by Mkoll » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:58 am

WuMing wrote:I think all of the Tibetan Buddhist schools regard oral and anal sex as inappropriate. This goes back to the Indian Buddhist tradition, e.g. the Abhidharmakosha (not entirely sure anymore about that text), or Ashvaghosha and Atisha. In Tibet one finds it in Gampopa's Jewel Ornament of Liberation which is the Kagyu tradition. In Patrul Rinpoche's book Words of my perfect teacher one can find it as well (Nyingma).

The reason might be that having sex using these inappropriate body parts (mouth or the anus) can only come from desire.
Thanks for the information.

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Re: Why is Oral Sex Considered Sexual Misconduct?

Post by dzogchungpa » Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:28 am

Personally, I consider it the very opposite of sexual misconduct.
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Post by Motova » Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:56 am

dzogchungpa wrote:Personally, I consider it the very opposite of sexual misconduct.
Could you please elaborate?
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Re: Why is Oral Sex Considered Sexual Misconduct?

Post by WuMing » Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:58 am

Really? How do you come to that? Would you please explain that?
今以佛眼觀之佛與眾生同住解脫之床。無此無彼無二平等。
Now, observing with the eye of the Buddha, both the Buddha and ordinary beings are in the same liberated state. There is neither this nor that: there is only non-duality and identity.
- 空海 Kūkai in Unjigi 吽字義 The Meaning of the Letter Hūṃ
- Kūkai on the Philosophy of Language by Takagi Shingen and Dreitlein Eijō
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Śrī Singha said to Padmasambhava:
Since buddhas and sentient beings are inseparable and the same, it is necessary to respect all sentient beings as being on the same level with the buddhas. Can you?
- translated by Malcolm N. Smith

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Re: Why is Oral Sex Considered Sexual Misconduct?

Post by dzogchungpa » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:14 am

WuMing wrote:How do you come to that?
Kind of a personal question, don't you think?
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Re: Why is Oral Sex Considered Sexual Misconduct?

Post by WuMing » Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:37 am

Why then you mentioned it in the first place?
今以佛眼觀之佛與眾生同住解脫之床。無此無彼無二平等。
Now, observing with the eye of the Buddha, both the Buddha and ordinary beings are in the same liberated state. There is neither this nor that: there is only non-duality and identity.
- 空海 Kūkai in Unjigi 吽字義 The Meaning of the Letter Hūṃ
- Kūkai on the Philosophy of Language by Takagi Shingen and Dreitlein Eijō
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Śrī Singha said to Padmasambhava:
Since buddhas and sentient beings are inseparable and the same, it is necessary to respect all sentient beings as being on the same level with the buddhas. Can you?
- translated by Malcolm N. Smith

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Re: Why is Oral Sex Considered Sexual Misconduct?

Post by Saoshun » Sat Dec 13, 2014 10:19 am

I don't know how it is in buddhism but in taoism women used oral sex as mean to gather ching-qi because oral sex sucking your energy downward and totally, but regular sex actually push your energy upward so that why oral sex is consider as taboo because it's can be harmful for spiritual cultivation if he cultivate his body too or channels/chakras etc.

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Re: Why is Oral Sex Considered Sexual Misconduct?

Post by Jeff » Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:59 pm

In male - female "standard" sex a natural energy loop is created. This male-female energy loop can have very powerful purification effects when the heart is open.

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Re: Why is Oral Sex Considered Sexual Misconduct?

Post by Malcolm » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:08 pm

WuMing wrote:I think all of the Tibetan Buddhist schools regard oral and anal sex as inappropriate. This goes back to the Indian Buddhist tradition, e.g. the Abhidharmakosha (not entirely sure anymore about that text), or Ashvaghosha and Atisha. In Tibet one finds it in Gampopa's Jewel Ornament of Liberation which is the Kagyu tradition. In Patrul Rinpoche's book Words of my perfect teacher one can find it as well (Nyingma).

The reason might be that having sex using these inappropriate body parts (mouth or the anus) can only come from desire.
I think it has more to do with hygiene. Tulku Urgyen was once heard to remark "Why would anyone want to put their mouth there?"
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Re: Why is Oral Sex Considered Sexual Misconduct?

Post by Grigoris » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:19 pm

Malcolm wrote:I think it has more to do with hygiene. Tulku Urgyen was once heard to remark "Why would anyone want to put their mouth there?"
Combine that with the prevailing hygiene standards around the time these rules were written and you start to get an idea of why it might not have been (or is, in many cases) such a good idea.
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Re: Why is Oral Sex Considered Sexual Misconduct?

Post by dzogchungpa » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:41 pm

WuMing wrote:Why then you mentioned it in the first place?
Nevermind.

Is French kissing sexual misconduct?
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guess im canceling my membership with team salad

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Post by Losal Samten » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:59 pm

dzogchungpa wrote:Personally, I consider it the very opposite of sexual misconduct.
Giving pleasure so-called 'selflessly' is actually a fallacy here; you're only giving dukha, ignorantly.

Per Berzin:
And so, if we look at the teachings of the Kalachakra Tantra, it explains that sexual behavior and the way to orgasm increases your desire and attachment. You want to have that orgasm. And when you have the orgasm and it’s finished, then you have anger because it’s gone, you don’t want it to be gone. And then after that you sink into a state of naivety because you get completely dull. So, this is what is says in the text and probably if we examine ourselves honestly, that’s what happens.

We know that according to the teachings not everyone has to be a monk or a nun in order to achieve liberation and enlightenment. We can also be a householder. So what does a householder mean? A householder means someone with a wife or a husband and children and a house. It doesn’t mean somebody that is sexually active. So, at some point, if we really want to achieve liberation we’re going to have to stop all sexual behavior. Those are the facts.

Now, most of us are certainly not ready to be at that stage where we give up all sexual behavior. But let’s not fool ourselves: Buddhism is not filled with romantic ideas of how wonderful sex is and giving happiness to somebody else. That is not what Buddhism says, sorry. Buddhism would classify that as incorrect consideration: considering suffering as happiness. Because with sexual behavior toward somebody else, we are trying to make that person happy but that is the second type of suffering, the ordinary happiness that will go away, it won’t last, and will just cause their disturbing emotions to increase.
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Post by Grigoris » Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:34 pm

Mother's Lap wrote:Giving pleasure so-called 'selflessly' is actually a fallacy here; you're only giving dukha, ignorantly.
Fallacy, tee-hee-hee, snigger, snigger. No pun intended I guess? :tongue:
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Re: Why is Oral Sex Considered Sexual Misconduct?

Post by Loren » Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:52 pm

http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/ar ... cript.html
And in one Indian commentary to this text, it explains that having sex with a pregnant woman is inappropriate because it causes harm to the baby inside her womb
off topic but that is not what the ob/gyn and midwife told us.
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Re: Why is Oral Sex Considered Sexual Misconduct?

Post by Konchog1 » Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:37 pm

Because if you engage in oral intercourse then your lust is so great that regular intercourse is not enough for you.
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