Hearing other sect's lectures is negative?

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Hearing other sect's lectures is negative?

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The title is very elucidative of this question of mine.

Let us say that I stick to Karma Kagyu tradition...
If I go to a Ch'an monastery, hear it's Masters teachings and seek pearls of wisdom...will I be doing something negative?
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ShakuShodoo wrote:If I go to a Ch'an monastery, hear it's Masters teachings and seek pearls of wisdom...will I be doing something negative?
No.
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dzogchungpa wrote:
ShakuShodoo wrote:If I go to a Ch'an monastery, hear it's Masters teachings and seek pearls of wisdom...will I be doing something negative?
No.
What if the teachings appear to be contradictory and are confusing, especially with regard to recommended practices?
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This kind of sums up my attitude:
A Tantra of Dzogchen wrote:
As a bee seeks nectar
from all kinds of flowers,
seek teachings everywhere.

Like a deer that finds a quiet place to graze,
seek seclusion to digest all you have gathered.

Like a lion, live completely free of all fear.
And, finally, like a madman, beyond all limits,
go wherever you please.
There is not only nothingness because there is always, and always can manifest. - Thinley Norbu Rinpoche
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dharmagoat wrote: What if the teachings appear to be contradictory and are confusing, especially with regard to recommended practices?
Use your head.
Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
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Let us say that I stick to Karma Kagyu tradition...
If I go to a Ch'an monastery, hear it's Masters teachings and seek pearls of wisdom...will I be doing something negative?

Dude, hast thou heard of 'Sutra Mahamudra'? :mrgreen:
There's a long thread on that, go hunt for it... :tongue:

Dg-la, thou hast my sympathies... :lol:
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This kind of sums up my attitude:
A Tantra of Dzogchen wrote:
As a bee seeks nectar
from all kinds of flowers,
seek teachings everywhere.

Like a deer that finds a quiet place to graze,
seek seclusion to digest all you have gathered.

Like a lion, live completely free of all fear.
And, finally, like a madman, beyond all limits,
go wherever you please.
Aku suka :thumbsup:
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plwk wrote:Dg-la, thou hast my sympathies... :lol:
I find it quite fascinating actually. I really want to hear more.

Perhaps tlee could start a thread on the topic.
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ShakuShodoo wrote:The title is very elucidative of this question of mine.

Let us say that I stick to Karma Kagyu tradition...
If I go to a Ch'an monastery, hear it's Masters teachings and seek pearls of wisdom...will I be doing something negative?
Not negative..but superfluous perhaps.

Believe me if one is fully engaged in the Karma Kagyu ngondro there is no time or energy left to be a dilettante.
“You don’t know it. You just know about it. That is not the same thing.”

Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche to me.
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Simon E. wrote:Not negative..but superfluous perhaps.
I agree.

We must carefully explore all options and eventually choose a teacher to follow wholeheartedly, or not at all.
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ShakuShodoo wrote:The title is very elucidative of this question of mine.

Let us say that I stick to Karma Kagyu tradition...
If I go to a Ch'an monastery, hear it's Masters teachings and seek pearls of wisdom...will I be doing something negative?
No, you are doing a positive thing.
To forbid the followers to listen to other dharma teachings and considering them, is one sign (one of others) for being a negative cult. If I see only books of one teacher in the library of a community, the fact is obvious for me: this is a cult.

And if you know other teachings and heard about them, you can find similarities - and you can follow your chosen path wholeheartedly even better.
For the benefit and ease of all sentient beings. :heart:
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dzogchungpa wrote:This kind of sums up my attitude:
A Tantra of Dzogchen wrote:
As a bee seeks nectar
from all kinds of flowers,
seek teachings everywhere.

Like a deer that finds a quiet place to graze,
seek seclusion to digest all you have gathered.

Like a lion, live completely free of all fear.
And, finally, like a madman, beyond all limits,
go wherever you please.
I resemble this!
Are you sure you aren't my slightly more funny long-lost twin?
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ShakuShodoo wrote:The title is very elucidative of this question of mine.

Let us say that I stick to Karma Kagyu tradition...
If I go to a Ch'an monastery, hear it's Masters teachings and seek pearls of wisdom...will I be doing something negative?
No.
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Fruitzilla wrote:
dzogchungpa wrote:This kind of sums up my attitude:
A Tantra of Dzogchen wrote:As a bee seeks nectar ...
I resemble this!
Are you sure you aren't my slightly more funny long-lost twin?

What do you mean, slightly?

:smile:
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dzogchungpa wrote:This kind of sums up my attitude:
A Tantra of Dzogchen wrote:
As a bee seeks nectar
from all kinds of flowers,
seek teachings everywhere.

Like a deer that finds a quiet place to graze,
seek seclusion to digest all you have gathered.

Like a lion, live completely free of all fear.
And, finally, like a madman, beyond all limits,
go wherever you please.



:heart:

Yusee, I'm not some kind of "libertarian" guy. When I find my Guru, I'll stick to him. But I am always afraid of doing something wrong or similar.
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ShakuShodo...beware of those who claim freedom while showing none of its fruits.

Stick to those who have walked a path, one step at a time, and whose fruits are clear to those who have the eyes to see.
We live in a time when the real thing is available to an extraordinary degree...and the downside is that the frivolous and ersatz are also widely met.
“You don’t know it. You just know about it. That is not the same thing.”

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dzogchungpa wrote: What do you mean, slightly?

:smile:
slight
adjective \ˈslīt\

: very small in degree or amount
: thin and not very strong or muscular
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Simon E. wrote:ShakuShodo...beware of those who claim freedom while showing none of its fruits.

Stick to those who have walked a path, one step at a time, and whose fruits are clear to those who have the eyes to see.
We live in a time when the real thing is available to an extraordinary degree...and the downside is that the frivolous and ersatz are also widely met.
Oh snap!
There is not only nothingness because there is always, and always can manifest. - Thinley Norbu Rinpoche
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Simon E. wrote:ShakuShodo...beware of those who claim freedom while showing none of its fruits.

Stick to those who have walked a path, one step at a time, and whose fruits are clear to those who have the eyes to see.
We live in a time when the real thing is available to an extraordinary degree...and the downside is that the frivolous and ersatz are also widely met.

And of course mefiez-vous de connards in all things..... ;)
“You don’t know it. You just know about it. That is not the same thing.”

Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche to me.
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Simon E. wrote:
ShakuShodoo wrote:The title is very elucidative of this question of mine.

Let us say that I stick to Karma Kagyu tradition...
If I go to a Ch'an monastery, hear it's Masters teachings and seek pearls of wisdom...will I be doing something negative?
Not negative..but superfluous perhaps.

Believe me if one is fully engaged in the Karma Kagyu ngondro there is no time or energy left to be a dilettante.
But, hopefully, one isn't doing the Karma Kagyu ngondro forever. Though one can do ngondro as a lifetime practice usually it is one that has a set limits in time or number of repetitions. What about once you are done?
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