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Meat Eating Mantras

Post by Boomerang » Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:35 pm

I've seen Buddhist organizations post various mantras online that allow you to bless meat before eating it so that your negative karma is diminished and you benefit the animal. The way the mantras are put out in the open gives me the impression that anyone can use them without transmission. Even Sravasti Abbey, which is a vegetarian institution, posted a meat eating mantra on their website.

Am I correct in thinking that these mantras are okay for any person to compassionately use while eating meat? The mani mantra is one of them. Can a person use any old mantra to bless the meat of dead animals?

And if it really is so simple for lay people to make a good connection dead animals, why do some Tibetan Buddhists act like these methods don't exist? Is it a sectarian thing?

http://thubtenchodron.org/2010/04/recitations-morning/
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Re: Meat Eating Mantras

Post by Malcolm » Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:50 pm

Boomerang wrote:I've seen Buddhist organizations post various mantras online that allow you to bless meat before eating it so that your negative karma is diminished and you benefit the animal. The way the mantras are put out in the open gives me the impression that anyone can use them without transmission. Even Sravasti Abbey, which is a vegetarian institution, posted a meat eating mantra on their website.

Am I correct in thinking that these mantras are okay for any person to compassionately use while eating meat? The mani mantra is one of them. Can a person use any old mantra to bless the meat of dead animals?

And if it really is so simple for lay people to make a good connection dead animals, why do some Tibetan Buddhists act like these methods don't exist? Is it a sectarian thing?

http://thubtenchodron.org/2010/04/recitations-morning/
http://www.drukpachoegon.info/rinpoche- ... ating.aspx
https://fpmt.org/wp-content/uploads/edu ... pdf?4e84cd
The best mantra to use is the six syllables of Samantabhadra.

Some of these "mantras" are dharanis, which come from sūtra and thus require no transmission.
And if it really is so simple for lay people to make a good connection dead animals, why do some Tibetan Buddhists act like these methods don't exist? Is it a sectarian thing?
Lack of confidence in themselves as well as the teachings.
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-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

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Re: Meat Eating Mantras

Post by Boomerang » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:38 pm

Malcolm wrote:
The best mantra to use is the six syllables of Samantabhadra.
A A Ha Sha Sa Ma? A Ah Sha Sa Ma Ha? Is that for Dzogchen practioners or for everybody? Are you supposed to say it 3, 7, 21 times, or just once?
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Re: Meat Eating Mantras

Post by Malcolm » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:41 pm

Boomerang wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
The best mantra to use is the six syllables of Samantabhadra.
A A Ha Sha Sa Ma? A Ah Sha Sa Ma Ha? Is that for Dzogchen practioners or for everybody? Are you supposed to say it 3, 7, 21 times, or just once?
Both versions are correct. You can say it once or as many times as you like.

When you say it to animals, also it creates a good cause.

It is in fact the Buddhas of the six realms in the form of syllables.
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Meat Eating Mantras

Post by Thomas Amundsen » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:51 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Boomerang wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
The best mantra to use is the six syllables of Samantabhadra.
A A Ha Sha Sa Ma? A Ah Sha Sa Ma Ha? Is that for Dzogchen practioners or for everybody? Are you supposed to say it 3, 7, 21 times, or just once?
Both versions are correct. You can say it once or as many times as you like.

When you say it to animals, also it creates a good cause.

It is in fact the Buddhas of the six realms in the form of syllables.
Is this the best mantra to use with live animals as well? Say you are hiking in the woods and there are all kinds of animals around. Is it best to keep reciting these six syllables? Or would some other practice be more effective?

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Re: Meat Eating Mantras

Post by Malcolm » Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:13 pm

tomamundsen wrote:
Is this the best mantra to use with live animals as well? Say you are hiking in the woods and there are all kinds of animals around. Is it best to keep reciting these six syllables? Or would some other practice be more effective?
Yes, it is the BEST mantra in every respect since it is also the condensed version of song of the vajra. Plus, at least in the DC, it has a very nice melody.
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Meat Eating Mantras

Post by Thomas Amundsen » Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:51 pm

Malcolm wrote:
tomamundsen wrote:
Is this the best mantra to use with live animals as well? Say you are hiking in the woods and there are all kinds of animals around. Is it best to keep reciting these six syllables? Or would some other practice be more effective?
Yes, it is the BEST mantra in every respect since it is also the condensed version of song of the vajra. Plus, at least in the DC, it has a very nice melody.
Thank you, Malcolm :anjali:

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Re: Meat Eating Mantras

Post by pemachophel » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:00 pm

"Some of these "mantras" are dharanis, which come from sūtra and thus require no transmission."

Malcolm, can you please tell us which ones?
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Re: Meat Eating Mantras

Post by Urgyen Dorje » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:07 pm

I'm presuming that the six syllables of Samantabhadra is then useful as a very short and abbreviated blessing for animal liberation as well?

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Re: Meat Eating Mantras

Post by kashmir » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:09 pm

pemachophel... look up Lama Zopa and lama Yeshe wisdom archives they have lots of materials and mantras which are open for everyone to try... A A HA SHA SA MA is included in those there as well. ..

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Re: Meat Eating Mantras

Post by kirtu » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:16 pm

In Nyingma there is definitely a transmission for the A AH ... six syllable Samantabhadra mantra.

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Re: Meat Eating Mantras

Post by Karma Dorje » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:19 pm

The one mantra given for eating meat is from Manjusri but I do not recall from which sutra. It appears to have some variations from those links but I think the original is:

OM AH VIRA HUNG KINGSHARA MANG SVAHA

It is said in that sutra that if one recites this mantra 7 times, the animal will not be born again as food for others to consume.
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Re: Meat Eating Mantras

Post by Boomerang » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:16 am

Karma Dorje wrote:The one mantra given for eating meat is from Manjusri but I do not recall from which sutra. It appears to have some variations from those links but I think the original is:

OM AH VIRA HUNG KINGSHARA MANG SVAHA

It is said in that sutra that if one recites this mantra 7 times, the animal will not be born again as food for others to consume.
Om ah bira ke chara hung?
"All the suffering of the lower realms, whatever difficulty and unhappiness we may experience as human beings, as well as every other possible suffering of the three realms of existence, have their origin in cherishing ourselves more than others."

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Re: Meat Eating Mantras

Post by Simon E. » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:21 am

Boomerang wrote:
Karma Dorje wrote:The one mantra given for eating meat is from Manjusri but I do not recall from which sutra. It appears to have some variations from those links but I think the original is:

OM AH VIRA HUNG KINGSHARA MANG SVAHA

It is said in that sutra that if one recites this mantra 7 times, the animal will not be born again as food for others to consume.
Om ah bira ke chara hung?
There is an important teaching here by implication.

Buddhist practitioners in bone fide traditions see clearly that the object of Dharma is to awaken beyond that which leads to rebirth. It is not to achieve some kind of optimum functioning in Samsara.
Just so, being an animal is not a romantic state of grace.
All sentient beings are food for other sentient beings. Including herbivores. All are parasitised. All that escape death by trauma succumb to bacteria or viruses or neoplasms.
If you use the word 'mind' without defining your terms I will ask you politely for a definition. :smile:
This is not to be awkward. But it's really not self-explanatory.

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Re: Meat Eating Mantras

Post by Boomerang » Fri Jun 26, 2015 2:21 pm

Simon E. wrote:
Boomerang wrote:
Karma Dorje wrote:The one mantra given for eating meat is from Manjusri but I do not recall from which sutra. It appears to have some variations from those links but I think the original is:

OM AH VIRA HUNG KINGSHARA MANG SVAHA

It is said in that sutra that if one recites this mantra 7 times, the animal will not be born again as food for others to consume.
Om ah bira ke chara hung?
There is an important teaching here by implication.

Buddhist practitioners in bone fide traditions see clearly that the object of Dharma is to awaken beyond that which leads to rebirth. It is not to achieve some kind of optimum functioning in Samsara.
Just so, being an animal is not a romantic state of grace.
All sentient beings are food for other sentient beings. Including herbivores. All are parasitised. All that escape death by trauma succumb to bacteria or viruses or neoplasms.
Are devas food for other devas?
"All the suffering of the lower realms, whatever difficulty and unhappiness we may experience as human beings, as well as every other possible suffering of the three realms of existence, have their origin in cherishing ourselves more than others."

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Re: Meat Eating Mantras

Post by Malcolm » Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:06 pm

Boomerang wrote:
Are devas food for other devas?
No, they are not, just as humans are not food for other humans.
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Meat Eating Mantras

Post by kirtu » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:06 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Boomerang wrote:
Are devas food for other devas?
No, they are not, just as humans are not food for other humans.
Well historically and even today, humans are food for some other humans.

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Re: Meat Eating Mantras

Post by Malcolm » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:52 pm

kirtu wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Boomerang wrote:
Are devas food for other devas?
No, they are not, just as humans are not food for other humans.
Well historically and even today, humans are food for some other humans.

Kirt
Generally, cannibals don't eat other humans for nutrition, but for power.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Meat Eating Mantras

Post by pemachophel » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:55 pm

Flesh from [someone] born a Brahmin seven times, anyone?
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Re: Meat Eating Mantras

Post by Losal Samten » Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:02 pm

Malcolm wrote:just as humans are not food for other humans.
Off-topic but when they say rakshasas are cannibals, does it mean they eat each other or just because they're man-eaters?
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