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HandsomeMonkeyking
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Hello,

in a buddhism center quite close to me they offer weekly Tsa Lung classes.
I am not yet quite clear what it is, but it seems to be yoga which purifies your nadis and thus helps you with gaining enlightenment?

So I am wondering: Is it like one of those things that if you start them have to do for the rest of your life every day?
Is it beneficial for lay people?

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It's definitely a very advanced practice that is with very good reason not taught to random people. Sounds fishy that a group offers courses to the public.

What teacher/group is that?
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A lama from the Drikung lineage.
If you can read german (maybe google translate also gives good results): http://drikung.ch/TsaLung.html and http://drikung.ch/Programm_Kreuzlingen.html.
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So you think one should not attend?
What could happen?
Since he's a Lama I suppose he knows what he is doing?
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Took a look.

Khyabgön Chetsang Rinpoche is definitely authentic! Very recommendable tradition and guru.

I only knew about the tsa lung practices that come with sadhana practice as inner yoga, which is indeed not taught to the public. This seems to be either an adapted version or a different tradition of buddhist yoga.

So judging by the founding lama of this organisation, definitely recommendable.
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There are different types of Tsa Lung practice, some very gentle and some very forceful. The hardcore stuff (e.g. Six Yogas of Naropa) is generally only taught in retreat, but more gentle forms are in fact not so very different from other forms of Indian Hatha Yoga.
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That sounds interesting! Never heard about this sort of tsa lung practice.
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Post by HandsomeMonkeyking »

Thank you for your input :)

Yes I heard the Lama did some years retreat with specialisation in The Six Yogas of Naropa (though I am not quite sure what this means or those are).
So I can just drop by there and take a look without having to practise it for the rest of my life, right? :-)
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I am quite sure they would tell you beforehand if a teaching comes with a commitment. But if you feel uncertain, email them and ask.
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Most forms of Tsa Lung require prior highest yoga tantra initiation. These initiations usually come with commitments, and many tibetan lamas would give them at the start of such teachings without informing the students of the commitments beforehand. You should explicitly ask the lama about any commitments before you attend the teachings.
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Ivo wrote:Most forms of Tsa Lung require prior highest yoga tantra initiation. These initiations usually come with commitments, and many tibetan lamas would give them at the start of such teachings without informing the students of the commitments beforehand. You should explicitly ask the lama about any commitments before you attend the teachings.
Or just take the commitments and keep them

Raise your hand and ask, right?

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What are those commitsments for? And what could they be?

Asking because they have summer break right now, meaning I can't ask them but have to wait.
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I have not met that particular Lama myself, but I've seen that website too and also found the offer interesting. I am pretty sure you will only receive teachings that do not require any special initiation or commitments from you, in other words only some rather gentle exercises. The Six Yogas of Naropa are highly advanced Tantric and yogic practices that are very difficult to practice outside of of a several months retreat. I do not know a single book where a clear description is given for these teachings, so I only have a very vague understanding of what they contain. If you are however interested in the more gentle Tsa Lund practices, there is a nice book by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche called Awakening the Sacred Body. These are easy to perform, freely available, come without commitment, and seem to be quite supporting to the my meditative practice.
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HandsomeMonkeyking wrote:What are those commitsments for? And what could they be?

Asking because they have summer break right now, meaning I can't ask them but have to wait.
Generally the commitments would/could be to practice a particular deity sadhana and/or mantra every single day for the rest of your life. This could include the performance of some yogas themselves, although this is rare. I see that some people here who have probably not received Tsa Lung traditionally try to tell you that there may not be any commitments. Although this might be true somehow in this particular case, you should know that generally if a lama wants to give Tsa Lung in a serious way (and yes, in some systems this can be done in a couple of days) he is required by the tradition to give certain initiation first. This varies by lineage, but almost always is accompanied at least by the samaya to keep a daily recitation of the deity mantra. The lama is required to follow this pattern by the tradition and many Tibetan lamas will feel that they would break their own samaya if they do not follow these rules. Which, in fact, would be correct. Also, with the more traditional lamas it goes without saying that if you attend the initiation you agree to all the commitments, whatever they may be, and many will not even mention them beforehand. Which is, weirdly enough, also part of the tradition. I have seen this many, many times, especially in regards to Tsalung. If you ask beforehand though, you will be told. So please, inform yourself.

I don't know how this particular lama would teach, but the Drikung lineage is very traditional and very pure, and there is a high probability that he would teach some material from the six yogas.
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