Everybody speaks about samaya, but nobody knows what it is.

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Re: Everybody speaks about samaya, but nobody knows what it is.

Post by thomaslaw » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:47 am

Thomas Amundsen wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:27 am
thomaslaw wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:33 am
Samaya is a practice of bhakti 'devotional faith'.

Thomas
I think that is sometimes one aspect of it. I don't think that's really what it's about, though. Do you have samaya, by the way, Thomas?
Do you have samaya?

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Re: Everybody speaks about samaya, but nobody knows what it is.

Post by Thomas Amundsen » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:07 am

thomaslaw wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:47 am
Thomas Amundsen wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:27 am
thomaslaw wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:33 am
Samaya is a practice of bhakti 'devotional faith'.

Thomas
I think that is sometimes one aspect of it. I don't think that's really what it's about, though. Do you have samaya, by the way, Thomas?
Do you have samaya?
Yes.

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Re: Everybody speaks about samaya, but nobody knows what it is.

Post by amanitamusc » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:14 am

thomaslaw wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:33 am
Samaya is a practice of bhakti 'devotional faith'.

Thomas
What is the source of this quote?

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Re: Everybody speaks about samaya, but nobody knows what it is.

Post by thomaslaw » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:28 am

Thomas Amundsen wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:07 am
thomaslaw wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:47 am
Thomas Amundsen wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:27 am


I think that is sometimes one aspect of it. I don't think that's really what it's about, though. Do you have samaya, by the way, Thomas?
Do you have samaya?
Yes.
What it is?

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Re: Everybody speaks about samaya, but nobody knows what it is.

Post by Thomas Amundsen » Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:51 pm

thomaslaw wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:28 am
Thomas Amundsen wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:07 am
thomaslaw wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:47 am


Do you have samaya?
Yes.
What it is?
I don't have permission from my teacher to give people teachings on samaya. Sorry. You might get an idea if you read through the previous pages in this topic.

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Re: Everybody speaks about samaya, but nobody knows what it is.

Post by Malcolm » Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:00 pm

thomaslaw wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:28 am
Thomas Amundsen wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:07 am
thomaslaw wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:47 am


Do you have samaya?
Yes.
What it is?
It's like Fight Club, you do not talk about it.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


The knowledge imparted through the guru’s instructions that formerly was unknown (avidyā) is vidyā.


—Treasury of the Supreme Vehicle, Longchenpa.

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Re: Everybody speaks about samaya, but nobody knows what it is.

Post by conebeckham » Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:18 pm

thomaslaw wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:33 am
Samaya is a practice of bhakti 'devotional faith'.

Thomas
No, it's not. Some folks think it is, though--including some Vajrayana practitioners.

Frankly, the only way to understand samaya is to receive empowerment and practice assiduously. Just as an example, in Sarma practices one recites the various aspects and vows of Samaya during "self-empowerment" rituals, and these are the same as those given during the empowerment. One of the common samayas is to not discuss the samaya or other aspects of practice with those who have not received empowerment, so Malcolm's quip about "Fight Club" is right on the money! Funny, too. :smile:
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Re: Everybody speaks about samaya, but nobody knows what it is.

Post by thomaslaw » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:40 am

:jumping:
conebeckham wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:18 pm
thomaslaw wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:33 am
Samaya is a practice of bhakti 'devotional faith'.

Thomas
No, it's not. Some folks think it is, though--including some Vajrayana practitioners.

Frankly, the only way to understand samaya is to receive empowerment and practice assiduously. Just as an example, in Sarma practices one recites the various aspects and vows of Samaya during "self-empowerment" rituals, and these are the same as those given during the empowerment. One of the common samayas is to not discuss the samaya or other aspects of practice with those who have not received empowerment, so Malcolm's quip about "Fight Club" is right on the money! Funny, too. :smile:
Yes, if discussing the samaya with those who have not received it, it becomes no more 'empowerment'!

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