Bliss

sangyey · Post by **sangyey** » Thu May 12, 2016 9:08 pm

Is bliss an aspect of Buddha Nature?

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Thu May 12, 2016 9:08 pm

sangyey wrote:Is bliss an aspect of Buddha Nature?

Yes, as is purity, permanence and self.

sangyey · Post by **sangyey** » Thu May 12, 2016 9:11 pm

Does the view change at all amongst the different school of Tibetan Buddhism. Perhaps where Nyingma would say that bliss is inherent while Gelug might say bliss is not inherent but only a skillful means?

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Thu May 12, 2016 9:16 pm

sangyey wrote:Does the view change at all amongst the different school of Tibetan Buddhism. Perhaps where Nyingma would say that bliss is inherent while Gelug might say bliss is not inherent but only a skillful means?

It depends on how a given school understands tathāgatagarbha, and the Uttaratantra.

pael · Post by **pael** » Fri May 13, 2016 4:22 pm

Is it mental bliss or is it physical bliss? Does it mean bliss of meditative absorption? Can samsaric being benefit bliss of Buddhas before achieving Buddhahood or Bodhisattva bhumis? Does these apply also for purity, permanence and self of Buddhas?

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Fri May 13, 2016 4:25 pm

pael wrote:Is it mental bliss or is it physical bliss? Does it mean bliss of meditative absorption? Can samsaric being benefit bliss of Buddhas before achieving Buddhahood or Bodhisattva bhumis? Does these apply also for purity, permanence and self of Buddhas?

It is ultimate bliss.

sangyey · Post by **sangyey** » Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:57 pm

Is soma or nectar consider something that is intrinsic to ourselves?

sangyey · Post by **sangyey** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:51 am

Is dewa the Tibetan word for bliss or is there another word?

BuddhaFollower · Post by **BuddhaFollower** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:46 pm

sangyey wrote:Is soma or nectar consider something that is intrinsic to ourselves?

This is explained in the book "Homa Variations" in the chapter about Buddhist sexual yoga.

sangyey · Post by **sangyey** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:39 pm

This is explained in the book "Homa Variations" in the chapter about Buddhist sexual yoga.

Thank you.

Grigoris · Post by **Grigoris** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:42 pm

sangyey wrote:
This is explained in the book "Homa Variations" in the chapter about Buddhist sexual yoga.
Thank you.

Inge · Post by **Inge** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:12 pm

Is the bliss of the jhanas contrary to the bodhisattva path? Is it contrary to Dzogchen?

Grigoris · Post by **Grigoris** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:13 pm

Inge wrote:Is the bliss of the jhanas contrary to the bodhisattva path? Is it contrary to Dzogchen?

It is a consequence of... so why would it be contrary?

Inge · Post by **Inge** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:15 pm

Sherab Dorje wrote:
Inge wrote:Is the bliss of the jhanas contrary to the bodhisattva path? Is it contrary to Dzogchen?
It is a consequence of... so why would it be contrary?

Does it not just consume merit?

Virgo · Post by **Virgo** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:26 pm

Inge wrote:Is the bliss of the jhanas contrary to the bodhisattva path? Is it contrary to Dzogchen?

Really no need for them.

Inge · Post by **Inge** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:27 pm

Virgo wrote:
Inge wrote:Is the bliss of the jhanas contrary to the bodhisattva path? Is it contrary to Dzogchen?
Really no need for them.

OK, but are they contrary?

Grigoris · Post by **Grigoris** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:29 pm

Virgo wrote:
Inge wrote:Is the bliss of the jhanas contrary to the bodhisattva path? Is it contrary to Dzogchen?
Really no need for them.

It is not a matter of "need" or "want", it is like saying there is no need for heat to be hot.

Bliss is a quality of Buddha Nature, love it or lump it.

Virgo · Post by **Virgo** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:32 pm

Inge wrote:
Virgo wrote:
Inge wrote:Is the bliss of the jhanas contrary to the bodhisattva path? Is it contrary to Dzogchen?
Really no need for them.
OK, but are they contrary?

I am not totally sure. However, they take a lot of time to cultivate, and that time could be used better.. Also, it is important for us to guard against falling into a state of peace, and these states are known the help facilitate that state.

Have a great day.

Kevin

Virgo · Post by **Virgo** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:34 pm

Also they are connected with the path of renunciation, so I see no point in cultivating them from a tantric perspective. And good Bodhisattvas enter tantra so...

Kevin

Inge · Post by **Inge** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:35 pm

Sherab Dorje wrote:
Virgo wrote:
Inge wrote:Is the bliss of the jhanas contrary to the bodhisattva path? Is it contrary to Dzogchen?
Really no need for them.
It is not a matter of "need" or "want", it is like saying there is no need for heat to be hot.

Bliss is a quality of Buddha Nature, love it or lump it.

I seem to remember that Malcolm said it is beneficial to be in the jhanas while doing the positions of Dzogchen....?

When I asked my Karma Kagyu lama about the bliss of shamata meditation, his answer was: "this is what we have to do".

I gave up shamata practice because I crave that bliss so badly.

What am I to do?

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