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blessing chords

Post by Tigersnest » Fri May 20, 2016 7:27 pm

has anyone used a blessing chord on the ankles? would that help for energy disturbance? Or is it disrespectful to have it closer to the ground?

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Re: blessing chords

Post by Grigoris » Fri May 20, 2016 7:31 pm

Normally worn around the wrist or neck, but Drukpa Kunley apparently tied one that was given to him by Je Tsongkhapa , on his knob, so... (but that was just a humorous fictional account and should not be taken literally so...)
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Re: blessing chords

Post by Malcolm » Fri May 20, 2016 7:41 pm

Tigersnest wrote:has anyone used a blessing chord on the ankles? would that help for energy disturbance? Or is it disrespectful to have it closer to the ground?

If you are a practitioner you do not need to wear one at all.
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-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
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Re: blessing chords

Post by conebeckham » Fri May 20, 2016 8:28 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Tigersnest wrote:has anyone used a blessing chord on the ankles? would that help for energy disturbance? Or is it disrespectful to have it closer to the ground?

If you are a practitioner you do not need to wear one at all.
In fact, if one is engaged in certain practices, wearing one's mala is seen as better, and it's recommended NOT to wear cords, etc.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
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Re: blessing chords

Post by Malcolm » Fri May 20, 2016 8:42 pm

conebeckham wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Tigersnest wrote:has anyone used a blessing chord on the ankles? would that help for energy disturbance? Or is it disrespectful to have it closer to the ground?

If you are a practitioner you do not need to wear one at all.
In fact, if one is engaged in certain practices, wearing one's mala is seen as better, and it's recommended NOT to wear cords, etc.
Right, if you are a chod practitioner or receiving a healing chod, you should not wear protection cords.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: blessing chords

Post by cyril » Fri May 20, 2016 8:44 pm

Drukpa Kunley apparently tied one that was given to him by Je Tsongkhapa , on his knob
Does anybody know how this story actually emerged?
Physically, it was clearly not possible since JT was long dead before DK was born.
Some latter attempt to deride the Gelugpas, perhaps?
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Re: blessing chords

Post by Malcolm » Fri May 20, 2016 8:48 pm

cyril wrote:
Drukpa Kunley apparently tied one that was given to him by Je Tsongkhapa , on his knob
Does anybody know how this story actually emerged?
Physically, it was clearly not possible since JT was long dead before DK was born.
Some latter attempt to deride the Gelugpas, perhaps?
They are just legends, they cannot be taken literally.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: blessing chords

Post by cyril » Fri May 20, 2016 9:18 pm

Malcolm wrote:
cyril wrote:
Drukpa Kunley apparently tied one that was given to him by Je Tsongkhapa , on his knob
Does anybody know how this story actually emerged?
Physically, it was clearly not possible since JT was long dead before DK was born.
Some latter attempt to deride the Gelugpas, perhaps?
They are just legends, they cannot be taken literally.
Yes, I understand that. And that's the reason I was wandering why they particularly chose Je Tsongkhapa for a protagonist in this story.
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Re: blessing chords

Post by Malcolm » Fri May 20, 2016 9:46 pm

cyril wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
cyril wrote:
Does anybody know how this story actually emerged?
Physically, it was clearly not possible since JT was long dead before DK was born.
Some latter attempt to deride the Gelugpas, perhaps?
They are just legends, they cannot be taken literally.
Yes, I understand that. And that's the reason I was wandering why they particularly chose Je Tsongkhapa for a protagonist in this story.
They also picked Sapan. He makes fun of Pema Lingpa too, whom he actually studied with...
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: blessing chords

Post by Grigoris » Fri May 20, 2016 10:53 pm

cyril wrote:Yes, I understand that. And that's the reason I was wandering why they particularly chose Je Tsongkhapa for a protagonist in this story.
Who would you pick? :)
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Re: blessing chords

Post by Tigersnest » Fri May 20, 2016 11:31 pm

What was the reason for Chod practitioners ?

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Post by Thomas Amundsen » Fri May 20, 2016 11:54 pm

Tigersnest wrote:What was the reason for Chod practitioners ?
Yea, I'm really curious as well. Lama Tsering Wangdu, a famous Chod lama, gives out protection cords all the time.

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Re: blessing chords

Post by Malcolm » Sat May 21, 2016 2:27 pm

Tigersnest wrote:What was the reason for Chod practitioners ?
If you are a chod practitioner, you are practicing giving your body to all nonhumans, wearing protection cords, amulets, etc., is against this idea.
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: blessing chords

Post by Tigersnest » Sat May 21, 2016 3:01 pm

I dont understand how it would upset them ? They feel offended if you feel you need to be safe

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Re: blessing chords

Post by byamspa » Sat May 21, 2016 3:35 pm

Tigersnest wrote:I dont understand how it would upset them ? They feel offended if you feel you need to be safe
Without fear or attachment, one gives away everything, body, blood, brain, head feet hands clothes money laughter tears joy anger despair hope microwaves and protection cords.

No holding back, nothing held on to, nectar for all.
Phenomenon, vast as space, dharmata is your base, arising and falling like ocean tide cycles, why do i cling to your illusion of unceasing changlessness?

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Re: blessing chords

Post by Grigoris » Sat May 21, 2016 5:30 pm

Tigersnest wrote:I dont understand how it would upset them ? They feel offended if you feel you need to be safe
The ideas of safety is based on the feeling of fear, fear of personal integrity. Chod is about overcoming the fear of self-grasping to the point where one offers their own body to the beings one would normally fear and feel aversion towards.

Given that blessing cords may also be "charged" with energy that repulses these beings, that would essentially nullify the efficacy of the practice.

In closing: the theoretical basis of Chod is Prajnaparamita, so essentially who needs to be safe? Safe from what?
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: blessing chords

Post by Tigersnest » Sat May 21, 2016 10:02 pm

Very :anjali: good !!!

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Re: blessing chords

Post by Tigersnest » Sat May 21, 2016 10:03 pm

Very :anjali: good !!!

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