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madhusudan
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“My father is wisdom and my mother is voidness.
My country is the country of Dharma.
I am of no caste and no creed.
I am sustained by perplexity;
and I am here to destroy lust, anger and sloth.”
~Padmasambhava

I would appreciate any comments or explanation on the line, "I am sustained by perplexity."

Is that in reference to the state of being in the Middle Way free from extremes? Or something else...

Thanks

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I think it's another way of saying "I consume duality." There are a number of poetic quotations like this attributed to Padmasambhava. You can read them in this older thread.

http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?t=14984
My father is the wisdom of spontaneous awareness,
My mother is the Ever-Excellent Lady, the space of all things.
I belong to the caste of indivisible space and awareness.
I have taken the unborn dharmadhatu as my homeland.
I sustain myself by consuming the concepts of duality.
My purpose is the act of killing disturbing emotions."
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madhusudan wrote:“My father is wisdom and my mother is voidness.
My country is the country of Dharma.
I am of no caste and no creed.
I am sustained by perplexity;
and I am here to destroy lust, anger and sloth.”
~Padmasambhava

I would appreciate any comments or explanation on the line, "I am sustained by perplexity."

Is that in reference to the state of being in the Middle Way free from extremes? Or something else...

Thanks

It is a bad translation. Look at page 34 of the Lotus Born were you will see the same passage as translated by Eric Pema Kunsang.

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madhusudan wrote:“My father is wisdom and my mother is voidness.
My country is the country of Dharma.
I am of no caste and no creed.
I am sustained by perplexity;
and I am here to destroy lust, anger and sloth.”
~Padmasambhava

I would appreciate any comments or explanation on the line, "I am sustained by perplexity."

Is that in reference to the state of being in the Middle Way free from extremes? Or something else...

Thanks
There may be a better Tibetan translation. But for a practitioner, it's not so bad. Yogis don't work on figuring stuff out and needing to know everything all the time. DJKR describes it as a "primitive mind."
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Crazywisdom wrote:Yogis don't work on figuring stuff out and needing to know everything all the time.
What??!!


BTW, there's a similar passage on p.95 of Dharma Publishing's "The Life And Liberation Of Padmasambhava Part 1":
My father is the Knowing of Knowledge.
My mother is Samantabhadri, holy joy and transcendence of the Void.
My country: I have none, having been born on the Essence Plane with its unique caste.
I nourish myself with both clarity and perplexity.
I am here devoting myself to the destruction of suffering.
There is not only nothingness because there is always, and always can manifest. - Thinley Norbu Rinpoche

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dzogchungpa wrote:
Crazywisdom wrote:Yogis don't work on figuring stuff out and needing to know everything all the time.
What??!!


BTW, there's a similar passage on p.95 of Dharma Publishing's "The Life And Liberation Of Padmasambhava Part 1":
My father is the Knowing of Knowledge.
My mother is Samantabhadri, holy joy and transcendence of the Void.
My country: I have none, having been born on the Essence Plane with its unique caste.
I nourish myself with both clarity and perplexity.
I am here devoting myself to the destruction of suffering.
This is not translated from Tibetan directly. It is translated from French a long time ago and is completely wrong in many places.

It is quite likely Evans Wentz just copied this line since he himself knew no Tibetan and was editing someone else's translation.

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Malcolm wrote:This is not translated from Tibetan directly. It is translated from French and is completely wrong in many places.
Well, supposedly it was corrected by Tarthang Tulku, but I don't doubt that you are right. Do you happen to have the Tibetan handy?
There is not only nothingness because there is always, and always can manifest. - Thinley Norbu Rinpoche

madhusudan
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Thanks for the replies. The other thread was interesting and useful. There's always an good old thread out there, it seems. And the improved translation was indeed illuminating.

Here it is for anyone who'd like a quick link: https://books.google.com/books?id=2aSdy ... &q&f=false

Someday I'd love to do a book on the meaning obscured by our rough-and-ready standard translations. Just stuff like looking at the Sanskrit/Tibetan of some basic terms and getting into the further meaning and connontations beyond what is apparent in the English word. Not sure I have the ability for the required study though.

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Malcolm wrote:
madhusudan wrote:“My father is wisdom and my mother is voidness.
My country is the country of Dharma.
I am of no caste and no creed.
I am sustained by perplexity;
and I am here to destroy lust, anger and sloth.”
~Padmasambhava

I would appreciate any comments or explanation on the line, "I am sustained by perplexity."

Is that in reference to the state of being in the Middle Way free from extremes? Or something else...

Thanks

It is a bad translation. Look at page 34 of the Lotus Born were you will see the same passage as translated by Eric Pema Kunsang.
My father is the wisdom of spontaneous awareness.
My mother is the Ever-Excellent Lady, the space of all things.
I belong to the caste of indivisible space and awareness.
I have taken the unborn dharmadhatu as my homeland.
I sustain myself by consuming the concepts of duality.
My purpose is the act of killing disturbing emotions."

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Erik Pema Kunsang wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
madhusudan wrote:“My father is wisdom and my mother is voidness.
My country is the country of Dharma.
I am of no caste and no creed.
I am sustained by perplexity;
and I am here to destroy lust, anger and sloth.”
~Padmasambhava

I would appreciate any comments or explanation on the line, "I am sustained by perplexity."

Is that in reference to the state of being in the Middle Way free from extremes? Or something else...

Thanks

It is a bad translation. Look at page 34 of the Lotus Born were you will see the same passage as translated by Eric Pema Kunsang.
My father is the wisdom of spontaneous awareness.
My mother is the Ever-Excellent Lady, the space of all things.
I belong to the caste of indivisible space and awareness.
I have taken the unborn dharmadhatu as my homeland.
I sustain myself by consuming the concepts of duality.
My purpose is the act of killing disturbing emotions."
Welcome to the mosh pit, Erik!

:-)

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yeah!! Welcome Erik! that translation rocks!!
"But if you know how to observe yourself, you will discover your real nature, the primordial state, the state of Guruyoga, and then all will become clear because you will have discovered everything"-Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche

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Erik Pema Kunsang wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
madhusudan wrote:“My father is wisdom and my mother is voidness.
My country is the country of Dharma.
I am of no caste and no creed.
I am sustained by perplexity;
and I am here to destroy lust, anger and sloth.”
~Padmasambhava

I would appreciate any comments or explanation on the line, "I am sustained by perplexity."

Is that in reference to the state of being in the Middle Way free from extremes? Or something else...

Thanks

It is a bad translation. Look at page 34 of the Lotus Born were you will see the same passage as translated by Eric Pema Kunsang.
My father is the wisdom of spontaneous awareness.
My mother is the Ever-Excellent Lady, the space of all things.
I belong to the caste of indivisible space and awareness.
I have taken the unborn dharmadhatu as my homeland.
I sustain myself by consuming the concepts of duality.
My purpose is the act of killing disturbing emotions."
:anjali: :anjali: :anjali:

Erik Pema Kunsang
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Post by Erik Pema Kunsang »

Thanks guys.

There are many different versions of the above poetic exchange between Indrabhuti and the child Padma in the various biographies, so it's not that one is better, unless the translation is outright mistaken.

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