Robert Spatz and Ogyen Kunsang Choling

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Robert Spatz and Ogyen Kunsang Choling

Post by crazy-man » Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:44 am

it´s a shame


Robert Spatz, guru of the OKC cult, gets 4 years’ suspended sentence
https://buddhism-controversy-blog.com/2 ... -sentence/

40 years of abuse in the name of Dharma
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/ ... 40b3_6_338

We feel it is time to go full frontal with the Buddhist "masters", it is time to confront their support to OKC (or to #Rigpa by the way) and we will not let time go by & allow the Buddhists to NOT take a stand, a position regarding their inconditional support up to this day, to a serial-pedo-rapist-abuser that literrally avoided his own trial for being fake-sick while perhaps still abusing other girls (major of age as of now, like if this was a good reason).

We will not stay silent and we will use the means we have : Public Shaming (as advised by Dalai-Lama regarding sexual abuse & fake "master") we will use the tools available to us : Social Media, Search Engine Optimization, everything will be done to disrupt their communication and STOP the Tibetan Buddhist Hierarchy to keep giving its official support to a toxic & dangerous criminal that destroyed the lives of so many people while creating an out of control utopia under Buddhist disguise.
http://www.okcinfo.news/

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Re: Robert Spatz and Ogyen Kunsang Choling

Post by Malcolm » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:04 pm

crazy-man wrote:it´s a shame
It is an outrage, and every Tibetan Lama who knew about this up should be publicly shamed as well.

Further, Tibetan Lamas really do need to investigate from whom they are receiving donations. They cannot excuse themselves with the "I didn't know" nonsense.
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Post by tingdzin » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:17 pm

This further serves to illustrate that everyone has a personal responsibility to examine the character of a lama for oneself, even in the case of those with an apparently authentic pedigree.

It also shows that having an impressive roster of "visiting lamas" really means little in terms of the on-ground reality of how a center operates. Unfortunately, genuinely accomplished and ethically sound lamas are often invited to centers to give a gloss of respectability to teachers who are hucksters and charlatans. Buyer beware.

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Post by jorden » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:07 pm

tingdzin wrote:It also shows that having an impressive roster of "visiting lamas" really means little in terms of the on-ground reality of how a center operates. Unfortunately, genuinely accomplished and ethically sound lamas are often invited to centers to give a gloss of respectability to teachers who are hucksters and charlatans. Buyer beware.
Malcolm wrote:
It is an outrage, and every Tibetan Lama who knew about this up should be publicly shamed as well.

Further, Tibetan Lamas really do need to investigate from whom they are receiving donations. They cannot excuse themselves with the "I didn't know" nonsense.
And according to the OKC website (http://okc-net.org/index.php/events/) there are still having events with visiting lamas.

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Post by lelopa » Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:08 am

Malcolm wrote:
It is an outrage, and every Tibetan Lama who knew about this up should be publicly shamed as well.

Further, Tibetan Lamas really do need to investigate from whom they are receiving donations. They cannot excuse themselves with the "I didn't know" nonsense.

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Re: Robert Spatz and Ogyen Kunsang Choling

Post by jorden » Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:57 am

Does anybody know how OKC is functioning at the moment?

There wasn't a lot of discussion about it here on DW (cf. Rigpa/Sogyal (!)). There is some discussion at the bottom of the article in the OP: https://buddhism-controversy-blog.com/2 ... -sentence/

The bottomline imho is that the enlightened masters of past and present either are just as naive or bad character judges as we are or it's some seriously cynical Tibetan religious politics. If you look at the list of lamas who visited these centres, wrote recommendations, confirmed authenticity of their teachers etc it's not just a question of a few rotten apples.

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Post by philji » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:10 am

jorden wrote:Does anybody know how OKC is functioning at the moment?

There wasn't a lot of discussion about it here on DW (cf. Rigpa/Sogyal (!)). There is some discussion at the bottom of the article in the OP: https://buddhism-controversy-blog.com/2 ... -sentence/

The bottomline imho is that the enlightened masters of past and present either are just as naive or bad character judges as we are or it's some seriously cynical Tibetan religious politics. If you look at the list of lamas who visited these centres, wrote recommendations, confirmed authenticity of their teachers etc it's not just a question of a few rotten apples.
From my experience when lamas visit a centre they come because they have been invited, sometimes there is a lineage connection, sometimes a lama connection. But they dont scrutinize the centre and unless something is blatently obvious are unlikely to get involved with the dramas of a dharma centre. What do others think?

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Post by Lingpupa » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:13 am

jorden wrote: The bottomline imho is that the enlightened masters of past and present either are just as naive or bad character judges as we are or it's some seriously cynical Tibetan religious politics. If you look at the list of lamas who visited these centres, wrote recommendations, confirmed authenticity of their teachers etc it's not just a question of a few rotten apples.
There is no doubt in my mind that they are often very bad judges of character indeed. There is plenty of evidence for that, after all.

There is a classic double standard at work: students are told to examine the lama for years before committing, and the lama is supposed to do the same. But the reality is that many of these lamas - especially the "high" ones - are told from an early age that they have a supernatural ability to discern the potential in others, sometimes even without ever meeting them, to acknowledge them as tulkus or something equivalent. They have been told again and again that they "just know".

Add to that the fact that they do, after all, come from a different culture and a different society. As a result they have little or no idea how to "read" a Western person, how to recognize the little signs that, to us, scream "fake", "Walter Mitty", "snake-oil salesman", "impostor", and so forth. Not always, of course, but it can be very easy indeed to pull the wool over their eyes.
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