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Post by naljor » Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:52 pm

When lung ta is low, this means that the drala is inactive and that we need to ‘accomplish’ drala to increase the life force of the windhorse. We have to bring life forve and energy to the drala. Orgyen Tobgyal Rinpoche
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Re: lung ta

Post by Lingpupa » Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:02 am

Nope.

And that *is* a considered reply.
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Post by heart » Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:36 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
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Post by jkarlins » Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:01 pm

It sounds like he's talking about lungta practice in a similar way to Trungpa. :)

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Post by naljor » Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:04 pm

So, for exanple, can help for this Dergye Serkyem?

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Post by heart » Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:43 pm

naljor wrote:So, for exanple, can help for this Dergye Serkyem?
yes, and sang.

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Re: lung ta

Post by pemachophel » Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:40 pm

There are also specific practices for raising one's lungta. Often these are done along with sang and serkyem.
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Re: lung ta

Post by naljor » Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:01 pm

Thank you all, pemachophel can you be more specific?

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Post by pemachophel » Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:47 pm

For instance, both Dudjom Rinpoche and Pegyal Lingpa composed prayers to be said while offering sang specifically to increase lungta. These prayers invoke the various Deities of the four directions (Dragon, Garuda, Lion, Tiger), four elements, eight trigrams, magic square (mewa), planets, constellations, and lunar mansions, etc. Each sloka/stanza ends with a request to increase one's lungta. I'm sure there a numerous of these lungta sang prayers/pujas from various different terma cycles. These are just the two that I know/do.

You would need to receive lung/oral transmission for these, but if you're looking to specifically increase your lungta, I highly recommend this.

A quick BTW: When doing both sang and serkyem, sang should always come before serkyem.
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Post by Lobsang Chojor » Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:12 pm

pemachophel wrote:A quick BTW: When doing both sang and serkyem, sang should always come before serkyem.
Sorry to go off topic. Is there a reason for doing sang before serkyem?
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Post by Malcolm » Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:26 pm

Lobsang Chojor wrote:
pemachophel wrote:A quick BTW: When doing both sang and serkyem, sang should always come before serkyem.
Sorry to go off topic. Is there a reason for doing sang before serkyem?

Purification (bsangs) in this case should come before the offering of the beer in a golden cup (gser skyems). Skyems is the honorific for chang. We must purify ourselves before the gods will accept our offering. This is likely based on the ancient nomadic Tibetan custom of having visitors to one's camp pass through juniper smoke (to prevent communicable diseases) before they are offered repast.
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Post by Lobsang Chojor » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:31 pm

Malcolm wrote:Purification (bsangs) in this case should come before the offering of the beer in a golden cup (gser skyems). Skyems is the honorific for chang. We must purify ourselves before the gods will accept our offering. This is likely based on the ancient nomadic Tibetan custom of having visitors to one's camp pass through juniper smoke (to prevent communicable diseases) before they are offered repast.
Thank you! The origin seems interesting as well :thanks:
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Re: lung ta

Post by MiphamFan » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:43 am

What about Nubchen's serkyem?

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Post by naljor » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:04 pm

What are in your opinion causes of low lungta?

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Post by Malcolm » Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:46 pm

MiphamFan wrote:What about Nubchen's serkyem?

If one is doing sang, then do sang first. If not, well, just go ahead with the serkyem.
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which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

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Re: lung ta

Post by rai » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:40 am

naljor wrote:When lung ta is low, this means that the drala is inactive and that we need to ‘accomplish’ drala to increase the life force of the windhorse. We have to bring life forve and energy to the drala. Orgyen Tobgyal Rinpoche
Any comment or idea?
Have a look at Great Eeastern Sun book by Chogyam Trungpa, there are chapters "Discovering magic" and "How to invoke magic" about invoking outer and inner dralas, maybe you can connect with it. more about relation to yourself and your environment than chanting formulas etc.

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Re: lung ta

Post by naljor » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:55 am

Thank you rai for great inspiration, what is origin of Chogyam Trungpa teachings? Is it Kalachakra?

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Re: lung ta

Post by CoconutMan » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:44 am

pemachophel wrote:
Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:47 pm
For instance, both Dudjom Rinpoche and Pegyal Lingpa composed prayers to be said while offering sang specifically to increase lungta. These prayers invoke the various Deities of the four directions (Dragon, Garuda, Lion, Tiger), four elements, eight trigrams, magic square (mewa), planets, constellations, and lunar mansions, etc. Each sloka/stanza ends with a request to increase one's lungta. I'm sure there a numerous of these lungta sang prayers/pujas from various different terma cycles. These are just the two that I know/do.

You would need to receive lung/oral transmission for these, but if you're looking to specifically increase your lungta, I highly recommend this.

A quick BTW: When doing both sang and serkyem, sang should always come before serkyem.
do you have these prayers in Tibetan which i can use to receive oral transmission?
thanks.

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Re: lung ta

Post by tingdzin » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:09 am

naljor wrote:
Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:55 am
hat is origin of Chogyam Trungpa teachings? Is it Kalachakra?
A very great part of Rinpoche's teaching on this and similar subjects was derived from the writings of Mipham, who was active in reviving them, and other aspects of Tibetan culture not closely associated with scriptural Buddhism, such as Gesar material.

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Re: lung ta

Post by pemachophel » Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:59 pm

Coconut Man,

Sorry, I don't have them in digital form. You can find Dudjom Rinpoche's at TBRC in His sung-bum. Don't know if Pegyal Kingpa's sung-bum is also in TBRC, but you could do a search.

In any case, there are many, many such prayers from different lineages. This is anything specific to Dudjom Rinpoche or Pegyal Lingpa. So I'd simply ask your Teacher(s) if they hold such kinds of prayers and would They give it/them to you.
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