TRC wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:34 pm
Malcolm wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:47 pm
TRC wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:57 pm
This gets back to the original point, do you want to attend Rigpa for teachings knowing they are still denying abuse occurred?
If there were some teachings I really thought I needed being given by a lama I respected at a Rigpa center than I would go without hesitation. I would also still watch a film produced by Miramax.
Well it looks like the OP that was asking for advice in attending Rigpa has now made the decision not to. S/he obviously understands the wider implications and ramifications of attending. A wise decision, based on an understanding of the ethics and morality behind all this.
There are greater things to consider other than, will I get “some teachings I really thought I needed”, it seems.
See, I don't really understand this sort of thinking. It appears to be assigning an approach to individual actions that is..quixotic I guess.
I mean, someone incidentally paying a few bucks out of a few hundred people or something to attend a teaching associated
with Rigpa (though not taught by Sogyal himself) hardly constitutes any kind of real "support" for sexual abuse.
Where do you draw the line? There are well known Dharma centers and monasteries unaffiliated with Sogyal where he has been invited to teach over the years, or had some kind of presence.. are we now "supporting" him by going to these places too? Not everyone associate with Rigpa or Sogyal is complicit in some grand conspiracy, I don't think it makes much sense to engage in that sort of guilt by association without knowing facts on the ground at a given place.
There is this weird implication that there is no difference between passive, incidental support of something, and intentional support - there is in fact a huge difference. It appears to be something like telling Catholics they should stop being Catholic if their parish was involved in sex abuse scandals, rather than simply pushing for justice.
Abstaining from something (a teaching or Dharma center in this example) as some kind of "statement" is not the same as actually changing something either, nor does it allow one to occupy the moral high ground, by itself.
"...if you think about how many hours, months and years of your life you've spent looking at things, being fascinated by things that have now passed away, then how wonderful to spend even five minutes looking into the nature of your own mind."