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Re: The DJKR Topic

Post by smcj » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:02 am

Virgo wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:51 pm
Which Guru Yoga are you talking about?
I’ve been quoting from Ringu Tulku’s book
“THE NGONDRO: Foundation Practices of Mahamudra”. It’s a teaching on a Karma Kagyu NgonDro. On another thread I quoted RT making a distinction between the guru/student relationship and the practice of Guru Yoga from the same book, hence my premise statement.
I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against Lama abuse.

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Re: The DJKR Topic

Post by smcj » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:20 am

Norwegian wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:57 pm
smcj,

If you want to understand guru yoga, then you should receive teachings on this from a qualified teacher. Merely reading books will not do it I'm afraid.
I live in a Karma Kagyu monastery. I’ve specifically asked about GY from the resident retreat master for the 3 year retreats. There are also 18 Westerners in residence that have complete one or more 3 year retreats. I've have casual conversations with most of them about GY. So far nobody has said I'm at all off base.

Is there something specific you think I should ask about?
I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against Lama abuse.

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Re: The DJKR Topic

Post by Norwegian » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:33 am

smcj wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:20 am
Norwegian wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:57 pm
smcj,

If you want to understand guru yoga, then you should receive teachings on this from a qualified teacher. Merely reading books will not do it I'm afraid.
I live in a Karma Kagyu monastery. I’ve specifically asked about GY from the resident retreat master for the 3 year retreats.

Is there something specific you think I should ask about?
I am only going by your own statements of you exclusively practicing lower yana only, which of course then naturally excludes guru yoga. And as such, I think for you yourself, it would probably be better to not talk so much about something you don't practice, as there's the likelihood of it creating very subtle and not-so subtle obscurations for yourself which can be a problem for you in both this life and future lives.

Also: Asking "about" something is vastly different from actually receiving the intimate instructions, and putting them into use, i.e., practicing them, and then working with that (which is much more useful).

So, there really isn't anything I have to suggest that you should "ask about". Satisfying ones intellectual curiosity is also not what guru yoga is about.

At one point or another you will have to make up your mind whether you should take the plunge into Secret Mantra Vajrayana or not. If you do, then you should work with that. If you don't, then that is also fine. But if you don't, then perhaps continually talking about so many topics within Secret Mantra Vajrayana (and Dzogchen) is not the greatest idea.

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Re: The DJKR Topic

Post by PeterC » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:16 am

smcj wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:20 am
Norwegian wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:57 pm
smcj,

If you want to understand guru yoga, then you should receive teachings on this from a qualified teacher. Merely reading books will not do it I'm afraid.
I live in a Karma Kagyu monastery. I’ve specifically asked about GY from the resident retreat master for the 3 year retreats. There are also 18 Westerners in residence that have complete one or more 3 year retreats. I've have casual conversations with most of them about GY. So far nobody has said I'm at all off base.

Is there something specific you think I should ask about?
A friendly observation. You spend a lot of time here debating opinions with people. Is that helping you more than using that time for studying and practicing would, since you actually live in in a monastery? I only started reading this forum because I have to sit through a lot of conference calls: I doubt that you have the same problem.

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Re: The DJKR Topic

Post by smcj » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:19 am

A friendly observation. You spend a lot of time here debating opinions with people. Is that helping you more than using that time for studying and practicing would, since you actually live in in a monastery? I only started reading this forum because I have to sit through a lot of conference calls: I doubt that you have the same problem.
That's an accurate observation and assessment, no doubt about it.
I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against Lama abuse.

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Re: The DJKR Topic

Post by dzogchungpa » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:12 am

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Re: The DJKR Topic

Post by Motova » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:27 am

dzogchungpa wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:12 am
I can't believe that worked.
A lesson of impermanence. :stirthepot:
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