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TharpaChodron wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:33 pm Although nagas might be angry about the destruction of their habitat, why would they take it out on other poor, ignorant fellow victims, such as the people living in the area who are there because of economic necessity?

I always gravitate towards these areas, and I try to feel compassion for the people there and want to make things better. Why would nagas want to further complicate things for people and animals who need help?

Do Nagas have Buddhanature that is very obscured?
The Klu have like humans 2 Natures, a good one and a bad one.
if humans are bad they throw with nuclear weapons, if the Klu are bad they come with health diseases and heavenly disturbances which affect the minds / Bla, of the sentient beings.

Like humans don´t mind in war if children are killed , the Klu also never mind the status of their victims, like innocent or guilty.

Sure they have inherent Tathagatagarbha like humans and some are great of them whereas others not so great.

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tiagolps wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:00 am
Tenma wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:15 am Not too sure on who Paltrul is...
Patrul Rinpoche.
Who is he? Sorry, but my parents' check my history and will freak out if I try looking up Buddhist masters(the only exception being the Buddha for AP World History, the rest are banned) and this is the only website that works on incognito(google refuses to work and takes a LONG time to load on private, so no).
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Tenma wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:49 pm
tiagolps wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:00 am
Tenma wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:15 am Not too sure on who Paltrul is...
Patrul Rinpoche.
Who is he? Sorry, but my parents' check my history and will freak out if I try looking up Buddhist masters(the only exception being the Buddha for AP World History, the rest are banned) and this is the only website that works on incognito(google refuses to work and takes a LONG time to load on private, so no).
Patrul Rinpoche was the great Tibetan master of the 19th century, who wrote the famous "The Words of My Perfect Teacher", a commentary on the Ngöndro (preliminary practices) of the Longchen Nyingtik.
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tiagolps wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:44 am
Tenma wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:49 pm
tiagolps wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:00 am

Patrul Rinpoche.
Who is he? Sorry, but my parents' check my history and will freak out if I try looking up Buddhist masters(the only exception being the Buddha for AP World History, the rest are banned) and this is the only website that works on incognito(google refuses to work and takes a LONG time to load on private, so no).
Patrul Rinpoche was the great Tibetan master of the 19th century, who wrote the famous "The Words of My Perfect Teacher", a commentary on the Ngöndro (preliminary practices) of the Longchen Nyingtik.
Okay thanks! So perform the Hindu mantra and the Bon practice?
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Tenma wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:50 am
tiagolps wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:44 am
Tenma wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:49 pm

Who is he? Sorry, but my parents' check my history and will freak out if I try looking up Buddhist masters(the only exception being the Buddha for AP World History, the rest are banned) and this is the only website that works on incognito(google refuses to work and takes a LONG time to load on private, so no).
Patrul Rinpoche was the great Tibetan master of the 19th century, who wrote the famous "The Words of My Perfect Teacher", a commentary on the Ngöndro (preliminary practices) of the Longchen Nyingtik.
Okay thanks! So perform the Hindu mantra and the Bon practice?


Tashi delek,

In Europe the Nagas also like to listen to the bible and Christian monks.
if they understand the message and like the person, they don´t mind Bön, Hindhu, Buddhism , Catholic etc.
They are clever enough to understand the message or better said the behavior of the persons.
If the behavior of the person is bad towards them, then everything related to that person is bad and vice versa.

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We can harm spirit an anger them unintentionally, just like we can harm other humans or animals (who are spirits in bodies that we can see) and anger them unintentionally.
Hungry wild animals attack when their environment is harmed.
Scared Americans get angry about changes in their environment and vote for Trump.
Angry spirits will cut a b!tc#! ...thats what all those offerings to karmic beings are for.

It seems to me (does anyone have some deets?) that various types of harming the environment will not only harm and anger some spirits, but also empower and embolden others (in addition to the1%!).

I was listening to a teaching on Vajrasattva and it was explained that Tibetans don't differentiate between strong "inner" emotions, like hatred, and "outer" demons or spirits causing these feelings. (I think the name of the beings in the example were given, but I don't remember).
It seems like some of these spirits might be very happy about various environmental or social disturbances, but of course their happiness would (presumably) feel pretty awful to most of us.
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BTW, thank you for the recommendation of "The Magic of Healing with Smoke," I'll check it out.

For folks that do Sang-Chod regularly, how often do you do it?
Monthly?
Weekly?
Just on certain days?
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climb-up wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:55 pm BTW, thank you for the recommendation of "The Magic of Healing with Smoke," I'll check it out.

For folks that do Sang-Chod regularly, how often do you do it?
Monthly?
Weekly?
Just on certain days?
Tashi delek,

Sang Chöd is for a monastery a kind of income, in case people go on a journey, the Sang Chöd is performed by the monks.
It brings a good luck in general.

If we do it according our needs the Sang Chöd, is used on an individual base.
But to do it for instance every morning or once a week, month depends upon the circumstance.
If there is big pollution etc . caused by a factory etc. then Sangchöd done on a regular base will be not bad , seen in the light of Compassion.

If we go for a camping in the woods then a Sangchöd is very nice.
If we cut a tree then Sangchöd is very good
If we have a disease caused by certain spirits, then Sangchöd is very good.
If we have heavy bad luck and many illness then Sangchöd is also ok.
If we do it once a week it can seen as a prevention for revange from the Yul Lha or the local deity.

Its like hanging the prayer flags, this is never bad if prayer flags are hanging in the wind every day, like doing prayers every day that would not be bad at all.

So one can perform it every day or only on a special occasion.

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climb-up wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:55 pm BTW, thank you for the recommendation of "The Magic of Healing with Smoke," I'll check it out.

For folks that do Sang-Chod regularly, how often do you do it?
Monthly?
Weekly?
Just on certain days?
Every day.

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Good answer, Magnus. But, if it's Naga sang, then only on Lu-theb days when the Nagas are amenable to offerings. Otherwise, it will actually create problems with the Nagas. If it's Riwo Sangchod or some other general sang-chod, then every day or whenever you want, most typically in the morning, and especially on Dzam-ling Chi-sang in the summer.

The Nagas are very testy and easily irritated. So many practitioners hesitate to do Naga puja, Naga sang, etc. If you are interested in propitiating the Nagas, I strongly recommend you get the teachings associated with this from a qualified Teacher. There's a lot of technical information you need to know or else your efforts may actually piss them off. Like what kinds of offerings are acceptable, what kind of receptacles, what kind of diet, what kind of cleanliness, etc., etc. As something as a Naga specialist, I can tell you this is not something to be careless about.
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pemachophel wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:55 pm Good answer, Magnus. But, if it's Naga sang, then only on Lu-theb days when the Nagas are amenable to offerings. Otherwise, it will actually create problems with the Nagas. If it's Riwo Sangchod or some other general sang-chod, then every day or whenever you want, most typically in the morning, and especially on Dzam-ling Chi-sang in the summer.

The Nagas are very testy and easily irritated. So many practitioners hesitate to do Naga puja, Naga sang, etc. If you are interested in propitiating the Nagas, I strongly recommend you get the teachings associated with this from a qualified Teacher. There's a lot of technical information you need to know or else your efforts may actually piss them off. Like what kinds of offerings are acceptable, what kind of receptacles, what kind of diet, what kind of cleanliness, etc., etc. As something as a Naga specialist, I can tell you this is not something to be careless about.
Thank you for this post. It's fine to do naga offerings if you've received the transmission and instructions, and if you know precisely how to do this, in other words you have the qualifications needed. But doing it incorrectly, which can very easily be the case, you can cause some major provocations coming your way.

Chogyal Namkhai Norbu has mentioned this many times, that one needs to be careful, because - as he say - "nagas are not your friends." Rinpoche goes on to say that they can easily become extremely upset and they will lash out at you, and that will be a major problem.
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kalden yungdrung wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:17 pm
Tenma wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:50 am
tiagolps wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:44 am

Patrul Rinpoche was the great Tibetan master of the 19th century, who wrote the famous "The Words of My Perfect Teacher", a commentary on the Ngöndro (preliminary practices) of the Longchen Nyingtik.
Okay thanks! So perform the Hindu mantra and the Bon practice?


Tashi delek,

In Europe the Nagas also like to listen to the bible and Christian monks.
if they understand the message and like the person, they don´t mind Bön, Hindhu, Buddhism , Catholic etc.
They are clever enough to understand the message or better said the behavior of the persons.
If the behavior of the person is bad towards them, then everything related to that person is bad and vice versa.

Mutsuk Marro
KY.
So recite the Bible and do a chant a bunch of requiems to appease local nagas(or would Texan nagas be orthodox and prefer Native American)? If that's the case, at least there's an excuse for me without my parents knowing. However, what about the other spirits of the area? Would local tsen and mountains spirits and garudas and so on allow this or not?
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Tenma wrote:
So recite the Bible and do a chant a bunch of requiems to appease local nagas(or would Texan nagas be orthodox and prefer Native American)? If that's the case, at least there's an excuse for me without my parents knowing. However, what about the other spirits of the area? Would local tsen and mountains spirits and garudas and so on allow this or not?
Tashi delek T,

I illustrated a story based on the chronicles of a Christian abbey in the Netherlands.
That is based on the positive feelings / radiance, the holy man or the abbot possessed.
So this Naga liked the Abbot and his belief. If the Naga did not like the abbot then he did not like also his belief.

Before the same Nagas, have been venerated by the druids in Europe with some rituals. The oak was a place to stay / Home, from some other spirits.

In the USA the spirits have been venerated by the Indians with some special Shamanistic rituals.
So it are the rituals, prayers etc., which can attract the spirits. If a Naga is living nearby a church , the Naga can like these prayers and rituals, because it causes positive feelings.

But first counts the behavior of the people in the habitat of the spirits, their belief is secondary.

If the Naga must be on the same level of a catholic, druid , shaman , Buddhist, Hindhu etc. , i guess definitely no.
Nagas, worldwide don´t have a basic religion , belief etc. Humans can make use of their power.
They are always venerated / attracted by rituals, and prayers belong also to rituals. And if the Nagas feel, that the persons in their habitat are peaceful , they behave also peaceful.

The problem with Nagas was and is always that if ignorant people harm the habitat of the Nagas and other spirits , they suffer , due to the revenge of those harmed/ disturbed spirits and because they have no remedies etc. the suffering caused by the spirits can be heavy.

Therefore persons who have knowledge, they can cure diseases etc. by the application of rituals, prayers etc.


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