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drodul
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Hell

Post by drodul » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:07 pm

Most people, as human beings, don't remember their previous lives. Is there any teaching based on meditative realization, or the experience of delogs, etc, that indicate whether beings in hell have any memory of their previous misdeeds or have any idea why they are where they are?

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Re: Hell

Post by Losal Samten » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:09 pm

Yes, I believe it is due to the pain of our gestation and birthing via our womb birth that we do not remember, and due to their miraculous birth that they have greater clarity.


The Descent into the Womb Sutra goes over the pains, such as:

To the extent the mother moves more or less forcefully, it is bounced around, with its head and limbs confined, so that it experiences a sense of suffering that is powerful, intense, violent, unbearable, and hard to imagine.


Candrakirti in his Letter to a Student states:

It is gradually squeezed the way sesame oil is squeezed from a press, then somehow it is born. However, those whose lives are not lost in that process must endure the assault of pain.

The body is rolled about in that filthy place, is smeared with slime from the womb and stinks unbearably. Memory is lost due to such torment, which is like the culmination of an inflamed wound, or like being ready to vomit.



Jigten Sumgon says of the lower realms (as explained by Rigdzin Chokyi Dragpa):

19. Because of [their] great ignorance, animals are inferior

It is said, "Because of [their] great ignorance, animals are inferior".
When one is born in the hells, the three notions will appear*
Therefore regret will arise and virtuous attitude will originate.
For that reason one will be liberated [from the hells].
Also the pretas have a clear awareness and are therefore equal to the former.
Since animals are deluded, they have only sensations of happiness and suffering,
But perceive nothing else. Therefore, if they leave their current body,
They will go through the other lower realms.
For that reason they are considered especially inferior.
The meaning is to be known in this way.


*Being born in the hells one thinks 1. about the past life, 2. about the next life and 3. about cause and effect, i.e. about the reason for each rebirth.
Lacking mindfulness, we commit every wrong. - Nyoshul Khen Rinpoche
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔
ཨཱོཾ་མ་ཏྲི་མུ་ཡེ་སལེ་འདུ།།

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Re: Hell

Post by kalden yungdrung » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:58 pm

Tashi delek ,

Suffering seems to be so intensive in hell, that thoughts are nearly impossible to arise.
Same with the pretas or hungry ghosts .

Are there methods to get hell beings out of their house of fire and ice ?
Hell is mind made like everything else.
Can one eradicate the mental karmic imprints of a hell being or other sentient being?
In so far i know, is that after a certain period, the hell being will reincarnate into another realm of karma.
Then the karma of the hell being is exhausted or diminished.

But maybe there are Buddhas who can empty the karma mind of the sentient being who dwells in the hell.

Guess to be a human is the best form to eradicate the mental karmic imprints , the rest have enormous problems with that,
Therefore it shows us not to be reborn in the other 5 realms of karma.

KY.
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Re: Hell

Post by pael » Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:33 am

Sūtra of the Whole-Body Relic Treasure Chest Seal Dhāraṇī The Heart Secret of All Tathāgatas says:
“If an evil man after death falls into hell, he must suffer uninterruptedly, not knowing when release will come. However, if his descendants say his name and then recite this spiritual mantra, upon completion of only seven repetitions, the molten copper and burning iron in hell will suddenly change into pond water with the eight virtues.
How is this possible?
Paccha-bhumika Sutta says:
"So it is with any man who takes life, steals, indulges in illicit sex; is a liar, one who speaks divisive speech, harsh speech, & idle chatter; is greedy, bears thoughts of ill-will, & holds to wrong views. Even though a great crowd of people, gathering & congregating, would pray, praise, & circumambulate with their hands palm-to-palm over the heart — [saying,] 'May this man, at the break-up of the body, after death, reappear in a good destination, the heavenly world!' — still, at the break-up of the body, after death, he would reappear in destitution, a bad destination, the lower realms, hell.
Can someone solve this problem for me?
May all beings be free from suffering and causes of suffering

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Re: Hell

Post by Wayfarer » Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:14 am

Sam Bercholz, who founded Shambhala Publications, has published a book on hell, as a consequence of a near-death he experienced due to surgery. I haven't read it - actually it looks a bit forbidding - but if you're interested in Buddhist ideas on hell, it might be interesting to you. Information on it is here.
In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities; in the expert's mind there are few ~ Suzuki-roshi

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