Dakini Script?

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Re: Dakini Script?

Post by Motova » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:47 am

dzogchungpa wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:30 am
Motova wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:15 am
A female terton?! What is the world coming too?! Next thing, you know, someone will be teaching Dzogchen through webcasts, giving empowerments through recordings, or students will be empowered not to be abused by fake lamas!!!

There have actually been at least two female tertons, namely Sera Khandro and Tare Lhamo.
Thank you. :cheers:
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Re: Dakini Script?

Post by Virgo » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:03 am

Motova wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:15 am
Next thing, you know, someone will be teaching Dzogchen through webcasts, giving empowerments through recordings, or students will be empowered not to be abused by fake lamas!!!
Hang on, are you implying that this is actually 2017? You had better be careful with that...

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Re: Dakini Script?

Post by PuerAzaelis » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:13 am

Please. *Live* webcasts. It’s not like we’re dealing with information.
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Re: Dakini Script?

Post by Tenma » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:25 am

Motova wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:15 am
dzogchungpa wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:41 pm
climb-up wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:42 pm


Sorry for the ignorance, but what is a gling-pa and why is gling-ma impossible?
Is it a name or a title?
Is it a linguistic or cultural impossibility?

A ling, spelled 'gling' in Tibetan, is an island or continent, and it is often used to refer to the location of a Dharma center or monastery. A lingpa would be someone associated with such a place, but the word is used as a title for great tertons. I believe the idea is that such a terton would have visited Ngayab Ling in visions. A lingma would presumably be a female lingpa. I don't think it is a linguistic or cultural impossibility. I think mutsuk's point is that the term has never actually been used in Tibet to describe a female terton although it appears that the term itself exists but with a different meaning, see: http://dictionary.thlib.org/internal_de ... term/37850.
A female terton?! What is the world coming too?! Next thing, you know, someone will be teaching Dzogchen through webcasts, giving empowerments through recordings, or students will be empowered not to be abused by fake lamas!!!
What's wrong with webcast teachings and empowerment recordings???!!!?? Some of us need that, else we cannot practice truly nor reach enlightenment at a good pace. :evil:
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Re: Dakini Script?

Post by Motova » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:57 am

PuerAzaelis wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:13 am
Please. *Live* webcasts. It’s not like we’re dealing with information.
Garchen Rinpoche does empowerments through recordings.
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Re: Dakini Script?

Post by climb-up » Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:01 am

Ah, thank you.
So female tertons = okay, the title "Lingma," not so much.

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Re: Dakini Script?

Post by PuerAzaelis » Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:24 am

Motova wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:57 am
PuerAzaelis wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:13 am
Please. *Live* webcasts. It’s not like we’re dealing with information.
Garchen Rinpoche does empowerments through recordings.
Sigh, yes, thank you now we are up to speed.
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Re: Dakini Script?

Post by heart » Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:48 am

dzogchungpa wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:30 am
Motova wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:15 am
A female terton?! What is the world coming too?! Next thing, you know, someone will be teaching Dzogchen through webcasts, giving empowerments through recordings, or students will be empowered not to be abused by fake lamas!!!

There have actually been at least two female tertons, namely Sera Khandro and Tare Lhamo.
And Ayu Khandro.

/magnus
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Re: Dakini Script?

Post by mutsuk » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:18 am

climb-up wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:01 am
Ah, thank you.
So female tertons = okay, the title "Lingma," not so much.
Exactly. But no, instead of "not so much", it should be "not at all".
In addition to the female tertons mentioned here by others, there is the famed Jo-mo sman-mo, and closer to us bDe-chen dbang-mo (1868–1927), as well as more recently mKha' spyod dbang mo (?–1987).

Furthermore, gling-ma does not mean a river bank as in the Valby dictionary but rather refers to a dry place within a river or some kind of islet appearing when a lake is drying. These are generally sand islets. The "funny" thing, and why everyone (knowledgeable tibetologists and lamas alike) laughed when I asked about "gling-ma" (at the time I had no clue what it meant in Tibetan) is that you'll certainly not call any woman a "skam-sa" (dry land...).

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Re: Dakini Script?

Post by dzogchungpa » Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:38 pm

mutsuk wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:18 am
Furthermore, gling-ma does not mean a river bank as in the Valby dictionary but rather refers to a dry place within a river or some kind of islet appearing when a lake is drying. These are generally sand islets. The "funny" thing, and why everyone (knowledgeable tibetologists and lamas alike) laughed when I asked about "gling-ma" (at the time I had no clue what it meant in Tibetan) is that you'll certainly not call any woman a "skam-sa" (dry land...).

Well, maybe she had a dry sense of humor.
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Re: Dakini Script?

Post by Motova » Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:31 pm

heart wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:48 am
dzogchungpa wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:30 am
Motova wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:15 am
A female terton?! What is the world coming too?! Next thing, you know, someone will be teaching Dzogchen through webcasts, giving empowerments through recordings, or students will be empowered not to be abused by fake lamas!!!

There have actually been at least two female tertons, namely Sera Khandro and Tare Lhamo.
And Ayu Khandro.

/magnus
Do all of them have current incarnations?
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Re: Dakini Script?

Post by Motova » Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:43 pm

Simon E. wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:35 pm
Purportedly.

But I will say no more for fear of inducing apoplexy in our more labile members.
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Re: Dakini Script?

Post by dzogchungpa » Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:48 pm

Motova wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:31 pm
heart wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:48 am
dzogchungpa wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:30 am
There have actually been at least two female tertons, namely Sera Khandro and Tare Lhamo.
And Ayu Khandro.

/magnus
Do all of them have current incarnations?

Apparently Tare Lhamo was actually considered to be one of Sera Khandro's incarnations, as is Chatral Rinpoche's daughter Saraswati. One of the Sakya Trizin's granddaughters, Jetsunma Kunga Trinley Palter Sakya, is considered to be an incarnation of Tare Lhamo. I don't know about Ayu Khandro.
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Re: Dakini Script?

Post by Motova » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:07 pm

dzogchungpa wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:48 pm
Motova wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:31 pm
heart wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:48 am


And Ayu Khandro.

/magnus
Do all of them have current incarnations?

Apparently Tare Lhamo was actually considered to be one of Sera Khandro's incarnations, as is Chatral Rinpoche's daughter Saraswati. One of the Sakya Trizin's granddaughters, Jetsunma Kunga Trinley Palter Sakya, is considered to be an incarnation of Tare Lhamo. I don't know about Ayu Khandro.
Thank you for the information.
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Re: Dakini Script?

Post by crazy-man » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:08 pm

In 1953 Ayu Khandro attained rainbow body.

In 2004 His Eminence Khempo Yurmed Tinly Rinpoche (Abbot of both Gantay Monastery and Zilnon Kagyeling Monastery-- as well as the Dalai Lama's choice to represent the Nyingma school of Tibetan Buddhism at the United Nations Millennium World Peace Summit) recognized one of his students as the reincarnation of Ayu Khandro. She was born in 1963, and lives in the United States.
http://rywiki.tsadra.org/index.php/Ayu_Khandro

how does it work? how you will reincarnated again when you attained rainbow body?

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Re: Dakini Script?

Post by climb-up » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:00 pm

crazy-man wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:08 pm
In 1953 Ayu Khandro attained rainbow body.

In 2004 His Eminence Khempo Yurmed Tinly Rinpoche (Abbot of both Gantay Monastery and Zilnon Kagyeling Monastery-- as well as the Dalai Lama's choice to represent the Nyingma school of Tibetan Buddhism at the United Nations Millennium World Peace Summit) recognized one of his students as the reincarnation of Ayu Khandro. She was born in 1963, and lives in the United States.
http://rywiki.tsadra.org/index.php/Ayu_Khandro

how does it work? how you will reincarnated again when you attained rainbow body?
Huh, yeah ...how does that work?
An emanation?

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Re: Dakini Script?

Post by mutsuk » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:05 pm

I think it is interesting to know that there are published syllabary texts about Khandro scripts, with their various "graphic families" or styles, as well as some transcriptions which make things intelligible. Thus, for instance, some of Tertön Khopung Lodrö Thokme's symbolic scripts are actually not in any dakini language but in tibetan, written in dakini script. Using that method and a proper set of equivalences, I have seen JLA transcribed some of Düdjom Lingpa's dakini scripts pretty easily. The results are sometimes interesting (in particular if the script is long (which is quite rare)) since the "transcription" does not necessarily gives the title (as one might expect) but some kind of scanty notes about the relevant subject. The problem with many current editions of gter-mas is that most scribes have no clue about this and you really need to have access to original mss or to a particularly good copy, kind of authenticated by the terton himself. The worst situation is reached when you get a new edition of the Rinchen Terdzo which skips all dakini scripts... that takes the cake for THE collection of treasure texts....
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Re: Dakini Script?

Post by climb-up » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:08 pm

mutsuk wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:18 am
Furthermore, gling-ma does not mean a river bank as in the Valby dictionary but rather refers to a dry place within a river or some kind of islet appearing when a lake is drying. These are generally sand islets. The "funny" thing, and why everyone (knowledgeable tibetologists and lamas alike) laughed when I asked about "gling-ma" (at the time I had no clue what it meant in Tibetan) is that you'll certainly not call any woman a "skam-sa" (dry land...).
:jawdrop:
lmao!

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Re: Dakini Script?

Post by Virgo » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:09 pm

It seems this discussion is becoming more of a clash of wills and less of a discussion about the topic at hand.

Your will is great but it doesn't cause you to attain enlightenment and you don't take it with you as a Buddha.

People have to let things roll off them and move ahead.

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Re: Dakini Script?

Post by Virgo » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:32 pm

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