Questions on death

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Tiago Simões
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Questions on death

Post by Tiago Simões » Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:41 pm

Ok I have two different questions about death. More might come up. 💀

One, In the Tibetan system (and other asian Buddhist systems) it is advised that the body of the deceased remains untouched until the space element dissolves. Does that mean it is unadvised to be an organ donor?

Two, some teachers are of the opinion that some Christian saints might have "transcended the elements(?)" through their own systems of belief, because of the signs they supposedly show at death.
What does this mean? To transcend the elements without attaining liberation? ( For the purpose of this discussion, lets all agree that only Buddha's teachings can result in Liberation, not a repeat of the jesus thread)
Then, the Licchavi Vimalakīrti spoke to the elder Śāriputra and the great disciples: “Reverends, eat of the food of the Tathāgata! It is ambrosia perfumed by the great compassion. But do not fix your minds in narrow-minded attitudes, lest you be unable to receive its gift.”

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Re: Questions on death

Post by Tolya M » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:45 am

1) The consiousness completely leaves the body when there is a first smell of decay as I remember but I don't know about it's reaction to the post-death surgery.
2) One can "transcend" the elements up to Brhatphala-level without being a buddhist. If I understand your question correctly. It is very high level where death is absent and which kala-agni\vayu\water don't touch but not a liberation.

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Re: Questions on death

Post by Tiago Simões » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:15 pm

Tolya M wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:45 am
The consiousness completely leaves the body when there is a first smell of decay as I remember but I don't know about it's reaction to the post-death surgery.
So organs wouldn't dacay before that?

Would they still be usable?
Then, the Licchavi Vimalakīrti spoke to the elder Śāriputra and the great disciples: “Reverends, eat of the food of the Tathāgata! It is ambrosia perfumed by the great compassion. But do not fix your minds in narrow-minded attitudes, lest you be unable to receive its gift.”

- Chapter 9, The Feast Brought by the Emanated Incarnation
The Noble Mahāyāna Sūtra “The Teaching of Vimalakīrti”

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Re: Questions on death

Post by Grigoris » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:52 pm

diamind wrote:
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Just calling it the way I see it. And to reiterate this forum as a spiritual tool is about as useful as a knitted condom. Good for nothing.
Knitted condoms are great for pecker decoration and warmth in the winter months, but this is beyond the point (and blatantly obvious) and it does not answer the main question:

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Re: Questions on death

Post by Jangchup Donden » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:22 pm

tiagolps wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:41 pm
Ok I have two different questions about death. More might come up. 💀

One, In the Tibetan system (and other asian Buddhist systems) it is advised that the body of the deceased remains untouched until the space element dissolves. Does that mean it is unadvised to be an organ donor?

Two, some teachers are of the opinion that some Christian saints might have "transcended the elements(?)" through their own systems of belief, because of the signs they supposedly show at death.
What does this mean? To transcend the elements without attaining liberation? ( For the purpose of this discussion, lets all agree that only Buddha's teachings can result in Liberation, not a repeat of the jesus thread)
I imagine dying while in one of the states of jhana, or as someone with some proficiency in them could result in signs similar to what happened to the Christian saints. Buddhism doesn't have a monopoly meditative stability and those results; just a monopoly on having a path which leads to freedom from samsara.

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Re: Questions on death

Post by Bristollad » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:21 am

tiagolps wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:41 pm
One, In the Tibetan system (and other asian Buddhist systems) it is advised that the body of the deceased remains untouched until the space element dissolves. Does that mean it is unadvised to be an organ donor?
For myself, it's a choice between me being able to utilise the time of death fully and properly such that disturbing the body would make a difference versus the chance to practise generosity one last time in this life.

Seeing as how even an itch has the power to disturb my meditation now whilst I'm in good health, I'll go with the chance to practise generosity.

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