Where is Sakyamuni Buddha?

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Where is Sakyamuni Buddha?

Post by mechashivaz » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:56 pm

Where is Sakyamuni Buddha? After He passed into parinirvana is He said to have taken abode in any celestial realm? After all, we are in His pure land right now so how does the tradition understand Him actively helping sentient beings other than through the established teachings?

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Post by Tsongkhapafan » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:52 pm

He's right in front of you, always. A Buddha's mind pervades all phenomena.

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Post by Ricky » Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:06 pm

mechashivaz wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:56 pm
Where is Sakyamuni Buddha? After He passed into parinirvana is He said to have taken abode in any celestial realm? After all, we are in His pure land right now so how does the tradition understand Him actively helping sentient beings other than through the established teachings?
Celestial realm? I doubt it.

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Re: Where is Sakyamuni Buddha?

Post by Queequeg » Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:35 pm

Using skillful means
I have manifested the state of nirvana
To bring sentient beings to this path;
Yet I have not actually entered nirvana,
But continually abide here expounding the Dharma.
Although I am always among these erring beings,
With my transcendent powers,
I prevent them from seeing me.
The sentient beings,
Seeing me enter perfect extinction
Earnestly revere my relics
And, filled with longing,
Yearn for me.
When the sentient beings become
Sincere, mild, and receptive,
And, wanting wholeheartedly to meet the Buddha,
Are willing to give unsparingly
Of their bodies and lives,
Then I, together with the sangha,
Will appear on Mount Gṛdhrakūṭa.
Life Span Chapter of the Lotus Sutra
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Re: Where is Sakyamuni Buddha?

Post by mechashivaz » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:04 am

Thanks for the responses, they explain as I have already understood, just wasn't sure if there was any reference to Shakyamuni acting as other Buddhas and their pure lands. Not sure how it fits into the trikaya system tho. Would it be said Shakyamuni doesn't act through a specific nirmanakaya or sambhogakaya form but acts within dharmakaya? I understand them all to be inseparable, so that a yogi who abides in realization of dharmakaya would also be a nirmanakaya, tho not Shakyamuni's nirmanakaya. Just as Padmakara is considered a nirmanakaya of Amitabha and not all nirmanakaya are an emanation of Amitabha. So using the trikaya system, I understand Shakyamuni was a nirmankaya in His incarnation and not sure how His sambhogakaya manifessted or how either of them currently do or if they do.

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Post by Thomas Amundsen » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:21 am

I'll give my responses, which will hopefully provoke someone more knowledgeable than myself to correct them.
mechashivaz wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:04 am
Would it be said Shakyamuni doesn't act through a specific nirmanakaya or sambhogakaya form but acts within dharmakaya?
My understanding is that Shakyamuni was a Nirmanakaya and passed into parinirvana some ~2500 years ago. I believe in some of the sutras where Shakyamuni refers to being enlightened eons ago, it's basically Shakyamuni Nirmanakaya speaking from the perspective of the Dharmakaya. I could be wrong and some others might disagree with me.
mechashivaz wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:04 am
So using the trikaya system, I understand Shakyamuni was a nirmankaya in His incarnation and not sure how His sambhogakaya manifessted or how either of them currently do or if they do.
As far as I understand, the Sambhogakaya Buddhas who taught the tantras (Manjushri, Chenrezig, and Vajrapani) in some sense are Shakyamuni Buddha. This might be relating back to the Dharmakaya again, and the inseparability of the three kayas. What I do know is that Khenpo Tsewang Dongyal wrote in a commentary to the Guhyagarbha Tantra that Shakyamuni was like the lightbulb that first turned on that made it possible for all of these other Rupakaya emanations to benefit beings. Without Shakyamuni manifesting enlightenment in this world, there would be no Manjushri, Chenrezig, and Vajrapani teaching tantras in the heaven realms.

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Re: Where is Sakyamuni Buddha?

Post by Tolya M » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:36 am

Abodes of buddhas are aryavahara, divyavihara or brahmavihara. So Sakyamuni is in one of these abodes now for only nirmanakaya passes into parinirvana.

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Re: Where is Sakyamuni Buddha?

Post by bokki » Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:30 pm

LOL
thank you!
where is shakya?
in front of u? lol
some nice knowledge displayed too, thank you! lol
but, thats hardly a serious question..
how bout..how bout..
WHAT IS SHAKYA DOING?, there, wherever he is?
lol
how bout.. how bout..
i heard he is a king of a buddhist kingdom now..
where is that kingdom?
or even, is he really?
lol
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Re: Where is Sakyamuni Buddha?

Post by Fortyeightvows » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:12 am

isn't he in the heaven of 33?

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Re: Where is Sakyamuni Buddha?

Post by jhanapeacock » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:20 am

Thomas Amundsen wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:21 am
I'll give my responses, which will hopefully provoke someone more knowledgeable than myself to correct them.
mechashivaz wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:04 am
Would it be said Shakyamuni doesn't act through a specific nirmanakaya or sambhogakaya form but acts within dharmakaya?
My understanding is that Shakyamuni was a Nirmanakaya and passed into parinirvana some ~2500 years ago. I believe in some of the sutras where Shakyamuni refers to being enlightened eons ago, it's basically Shakyamuni Nirmanakaya speaking from the perspective of the Dharmakaya. I could be wrong and some others might disagree with me.
mechashivaz wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:04 am
So using the trikaya system, I understand Shakyamuni was a nirmankaya in His incarnation and not sure how His sambhogakaya manifessted or how either of them currently do or if they do.
As far as I understand, the Sambhogakaya Buddhas who taught the tantras (Manjushri, Chenrezig, and Vajrapani) in some sense are Shakyamuni Buddha. This might be relating back to the Dharmakaya again, and the inseparability of the three kayas. What I do know is that Khenpo Tsewang Dongyal wrote in a commentary to the Guhyagarbha Tantra that Shakyamuni was like the lightbulb that first turned on that made it possible for all of these other Rupakaya emanations to benefit beings. Without Shakyamuni manifesting enlightenment in this world, there would be no Manjushri, Chenrezig, and Vajrapani teaching tantras in the heaven realms.
As far as i know, when Shakyamuni refers to being enlightened eons ago he is talking about the Sambhogakaya, not the Dharmakaya.

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