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Re: Santa La Muerte

Post by Motova » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:45 pm

:rules:
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Malcolm wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:58 pm
The four means of converting beings to the Dharma are generosity (which itself as four aspects: giving material gifts, conferring fearlessness, loving kindness and teaching Dharma), pleasant speech, conduct and setting an example.

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Re: Santa La Muerte

Post by climb-up » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:48 pm

Tenma wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:30 pm

Is feeling suicidal an effect? That did happen before a few times with Vajrasattva with the idea that occurred in my mind "what's the point of life? It's all a delusion, so is this body. Why should I live? I don't see any reason to live." Perhaps that's good sign that doesn't see like so(not that I should try!), or another form of ignorance? If all these signs are forms of ignorance including those of bodhicitta, then what is "true?" Sarasvati, Vajrasattva, Tara, Palden Lhamo, my root guru all give some feeling that all seems good, but are forms of ignorance? What is "truth" then?
Feeling suicidal can be an effect, yes.
If you are feeling suicidal though, please stop and find someone you can talk to.

Practices can bring up all sorts of practices, good and bad, happy and sad, and it's important not to get attached to any of them or give them too much importance because they are not the point. (I again recommend "Cutting through Spiritual Materialism" by Trungpa).
BUT OF COURSE it's also important to be aware of the reality of your situation!
If you are having experiences that you can't handle then you need to either find an experienced teacher who can help and guide you directly (not on a forum online), or just stop.
It would be much better to be alive and wait till later to do a practice, then try to power through it and end up killing yourself!
Remember the preciousness of your human like! :anjali:

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Re: Santa La Muerte

Post by climb-up » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:51 pm

Motova wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:45 pm
:rules:
100% correct.
My apologies, and thank you for pointing it out. :namaste:
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Re: Santa La Muerte

Post by Motova » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:52 pm

:focus:

:cheers:
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:58 pm
The four means of converting beings to the Dharma are generosity (which itself as four aspects: giving material gifts, conferring fearlessness, loving kindness and teaching Dharma), pleasant speech, conduct and setting an example.

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Re: Santa La Muerte

Post by Vasana » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:00 pm

Tenma wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:18 pm
Vasana wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:39 am
P.s -

Tenma, Are you practicing for the benefit of all sentient beings or is it really just for some supernatural thrills? You're what, like 14-15? In high school? At that age, you're still finding a sense of who you are as a person in this world, in your family, peer-group, society etc. Having an interest in the dharma at such a young age is an incredible blessing you have but also one that you can quite easily piss away by treating The dharma like it's an edgey fashion accessory to prop up your newly evolving dentity. Maybe this is my projection but I remember what it was like being a teenager 'forging' a social identity. Are you aware of that process and how it influences your outlook on life? Can you honestly say you are not mixing wordly dharmas with the dharma?

You should read Rechungpas Biography. Rechungpa was quite stubborn and unwilling to listen to the advice of others, especially the one person he should have listened to, his Guru Milarepa. This caused him a lot of unnessarcy sidetracks and deviations before he really recognised the gift of the teachings and their applications(Rechungpa is also linked to the Tenma Goddesses by proxy of Milarepa.)

We're all a bit like this - the point is to not make the path or samsara any harder than it already is. Following the advice of a qualified teacher is the best way to do this so take up Cone's offer for clarifying any assumptions and questions with the teacher.
Yes, I'm 14 this year. These are for the sake of all beings(unlike 7th-8th grade on killing), especially Vajrasattva and Saraswati. I don't show my Buddhist path to anyone, except here and my own lama, but no one physically. Since Buddhism is "Satanism" and "witchcraft," I have to hide my faith, so I depend on dharmapalas for help, more so those who are forms of my own personal deity(wrathful Saraswati as Palden Lhamo) and some of their retinue.
For example, I once made a paper prayer wheel that I had to hide and depended on the dharmapalas to protect it like a terma. The same with some mantras I wrote down and concealed very carefully above doors like "Om Padmo Ushnisha..." So I have to depend on dharmapalas for help in these things and for the spiritual path(help on local spirits, astrological influences, connecting with the guru, etc.).
Worldly deities like Santa Muerte are only for help in worldly life(studies, rivals, etc.) as dharmapalas aren't really useful in it(except for the one time incident when I almost jay walked).
Now, I know that you might be asking on Tara, but there was a problem. She isn't effective and I've tried many times, a daily 21 praises with visualization. Only gave the partial feelings of Vajrasattva and nothing more.
So yeah, unless there's a better way to solve all of this.
I think you have lots of misconceptions about the Dharmapalas and what kinds of actions they prioritize. I don't think it's appropriate talking more about them on here though so i really hope you can have a proper conversation with your teacher or more experienced students /vajra siblings under your teacher.
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Re: Santa La Muerte

Post by cyril » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:01 pm

Tenma wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:28 pm
Motova wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:25 pm
Tenma wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:24 pm


I've never received an empowerment. Just a recomendation.
Then you can't practice it.
Then why did my guru tell me to practice? That doesn't make any sense.
Tenma, everybody can pray to Tara as an external object/ person, recite the 21 praises and so on. Ideally, you should have received transmission but that's not indispensable. Now, whether you get what you wish for or not, that's an entirely different matter. To have your wishes fulfilled, you need merit. Sometimes, a lot of merit. Buddhas cannot make something out of nothing. Then, there is the issue of whether your wish is in accordance to Dharma or not. The Buddhas' job is to pull you out of Samsara; why would they give you something that would push you even deeper in Samsara? In my personal experience, when all the necessary conditions exist, the prayers to Tara work fast, amazingly fast sometimes.

Tenma wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:30 pm
Is feeling suicidal an effect? That did happen before a few times with Vajrasattva with the idea that occurred in my mind "what's the point of life? It's all a delusion, so is this body.
First of all, I must remind you that there are only a few things that you can practice without having received empowerment, oral transmission and instructions. For Vajrasattva, you need at least the oral transmission, AFAIK.
Suicidal ideation can happen. It could be your karma ripening, obstructors at work, or both. Don't follow it; do your best and ignore it.
Tenma wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:30 pm
Why should I live? I don't see any reason to live."
How about you start contemplating the 4 thoughts that turn the mind towards Dharma? You know, the precious human existence & stuff...
"You have to make the good out of the bad because that is all you have got to make it out of."
- Robert Penn Warren -

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Re: Santa La Muerte

Post by Motova » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:10 pm

cyril wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:01 pm
First of all, I must remind you that there are only a few things that you can practice without having received empowerment, oral transmission and instructions. For Vajrasattva, you need at least the oral transmission, AFAIK.
Ayang Rinpoche gave Vajrasattva lung to my friend, even for self visualization I think.
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:58 pm
The four means of converting beings to the Dharma are generosity (which itself as four aspects: giving material gifts, conferring fearlessness, loving kindness and teaching Dharma), pleasant speech, conduct and setting an example.

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Re: Santa La Muerte

Post by Vasana » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:26 pm

Tenma wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:30 pm
Vasana wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:28 am
Tenma wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:58 am


:good:
Feelings and practice experiences come ago. When it comes to our feelings in regards to the dharma and practice, what makes you 100% certain that every single instance of the arising of a feeling is any more a reliable indication than our regular feelings of attachmemt, aversion, ignorance, joy, sorrow, hope & fear?

Sure, certain practices under certain circumstances will yeild certain signs but you need a very strong degree of discernment to determine if you are just superimposing your own samsaric feelings onto practice/post-practice and lableing them as signs of practice. Many people feel happy and joyful after practice. That doesn't necessarily mean that that feeling is a sign of the practice per-se - it could just be the kind of happiness you get when you do something you know is good for you. It could be the feeling of rejoicing. It could be the simple intoxication that accompanies the 'honey-moon' period of Dharma practice that you're clearly in. Sooner or later, Tenma, the esoteric /occultish honeymoon will end ( or the supernatural fixation will intensify until real difficulties emerge from it) and it will then sink in for you that the 'real' dharma practice is renouncing, transforming or self-liberating dualistic thought and affliction. Sooner or later you will realise that you will have to live with your afflictions and ego under the painful conditons of samsara and the degenerate age until you are liberated. Only then will you perhaps think to get your Dharma priorities of study and practice in the order that is most skillfull for your circumstances. Real practice will mean increasingly seeing and smelling your own bullshit more clearly so prepare yourself for that in advance.

As for headaches and other pains - the same applies. Sometimes when I sit, my right foot and leg will feel uncomfortable and I'll feel fidgety. Or at other times, the eustacian tube that connects the ear to the throat will be inflamed and my hearing in one ear will become muffled. I could take these as signs of practice or I could see that they're just arising due to a confluence of multiple conditions.

Ignorance is also 'cunning' in that it is 'skilled' in making us ignorant of questioning what we take as certain to be true and completely ignorant to what we havn't even considered we don't know In other words, there are things we dont know and things we dont even know that we don't know. Remembering the latter category can be a sobering reminder not to be too sure about all these 'facts' we're so sure about.
Is feeling suicidal an effect? That did happen before a few times with Vajrasattva with the idea that occurred in my mind "what's the point of life? It's all a delusion, so is this body. Why should I live? I don't see any reason to live." Perhaps that's good sign that doesn't see like so(not that I should try!), or another form of ignorance? If all these signs are forms of ignorance including those of bodhicitta, then what is "true?" Sarasvati, Vajrasattva, Tara, Palden Lhamo, my root guru all give some feeling that all seems good, but are forms of ignorance? What is "truth" then?
Well, have you ever felt suicidal outside of practice? If so, then I doubt it is the result of practice although at some points along the path, fluctuations in mood can occur. If you're familiar with the teachings on karma you would know that suicide doesn't result in annihilation or nothingness so samsara is not in anyway escaped or made more bearable through it.

Have you read teachings on the precious human rebirth, Tenma? Your thoughts regarding the pointlessness of living are not congruent with what the Buddha taught or past and present masters actually teach.

If you have problems with depression and suicidal thoughts, relying solely on Vajrayana when you're not fully rooted in common mahayana thought might prove challenging. It would be great if you sought out advice concerning low moods or suicidal thoughts from councillors or health care practioners or at least did some reading up about causes and methods for dealing with various moods.

You're still very young. In puberty...there's very little mental or hormonal stability at your age, I remember it. Not to mention the new challenges and pressures of being a teenager in today's world of social media and information overload...It's harder than ever being a teenager so please recognize the stresses of your age and go easy on yourself and the more complex aspects of Dharma. Be sure to seek out and listen to the advice of those here who also met the dharma or Vajrayana at a young age to see what they learnt from their experience.

I never said feeling bodhichitta was a sign of ignorance. Nor did i outright dismiss all positive feelings as useless either. I was simply highlighting that the criteria for what is genuine experience or an actual sign from practice can vary dependant on where you are in your practice, mindset, level of physical health, mental tendencies, study of new dharma concepts, past karmic connections etc. Please don't think that feelings like joy, bodhichitta or inspiration are all ignorance. That's not what I meant. It's just that our joy can be dharmic or samsaric and it's easy to confuse the latter for the former or blend the two without noticing.

---

P.s - since there is discussion on it, some Tara practices do not require lung although it's advantageous.
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Re: Santa La Muerte

Post by Tenma » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:26 pm

cyril wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:01 pm
Tenma wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:28 pm
Motova wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:25 pm


Then you can't practice it.
Then why did my guru tell me to practice? That doesn't make any sense.
Tenma, everybody can pray to Tara as an external object/ person, recite the 21 praises and so on. Ideally, you should have received transmission but that's not indispensable. Now, whether you get what you wish for or not, that's an entirely different matter. To have your wishes fulfilled, you need merit. Sometimes, a lot of merit. Buddhas cannot make something out of nothing. Then, there is the issue of whether your wish is in accordance to Dharma or not. The Buddhas' job is to pull you out of Samsara; why would they give you something that would push you even deeper in Samsara? In my personal experience, when all the necessary conditions exist, the prayers to Tara work fast, amazingly fast sometimes.

Tenma wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:30 pm
Is feeling suicidal an effect? That did happen before a few times with Vajrasattva with the idea that occurred in my mind "what's the point of life? It's all a delusion, so is this body.
First of all, I must remind you that there are only a few things that you can practice without having received empowerment, oral transmission and instructions. For Vajrasattva, you need at least the oral transmission, AFAIK.
Suicidal ideation can happen. It could be your karma ripening, obstructors at work, or both. Don't follow it; do your best and ignore it.
Tenma wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:30 pm
Why should I live? I don't see any reason to live."
How about you start contemplating the 4 thoughts that turn the mind towards Dharma? You know, the precious human existence & stuff...
Okay, so need of more merit.
The Vajrasattva sadhana I practice is a frontal visualization instruction you can find on ewamchoden.org
It was approved, so I see no wrong in it.

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Re: Santa La Muerte

Post by Tenma » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:28 pm

Vasana wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:26 pm
Tenma wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:30 pm
Vasana wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:28 am


Feelings and practice experiences come ago. When it comes to our feelings in regards to the dharma and practice, what makes you 100% certain that every single instance of the arising of a feeling is any more a reliable indication than our regular feelings of attachmemt, aversion, ignorance, joy, sorrow, hope & fear?

Sure, certain practices under certain circumstances will yeild certain signs but you need a very strong degree of discernment to determine if you are just superimposing your own samsaric feelings onto practice/post-practice and lableing them as signs of practice. Many people feel happy and joyful after practice. That doesn't necessarily mean that that feeling is a sign of the practice per-se - it could just be the kind of happiness you get when you do something you know is good for you. It could be the feeling of rejoicing. It could be the simple intoxication that accompanies the 'honey-moon' period of Dharma practice that you're clearly in. Sooner or later, Tenma, the esoteric /occultish honeymoon will end ( or the supernatural fixation will intensify until real difficulties emerge from it) and it will then sink in for you that the 'real' dharma practice is renouncing, transforming or self-liberating dualistic thought and affliction. Sooner or later you will realise that you will have to live with your afflictions and ego under the painful conditons of samsara and the degenerate age until you are liberated. Only then will you perhaps think to get your Dharma priorities of study and practice in the order that is most skillfull for your circumstances. Real practice will mean increasingly seeing and smelling your own bullshit more clearly so prepare yourself for that in advance.

As for headaches and other pains - the same applies. Sometimes when I sit, my right foot and leg will feel uncomfortable and I'll feel fidgety. Or at other times, the eustacian tube that connects the ear to the throat will be inflamed and my hearing in one ear will become muffled. I could take these as signs of practice or I could see that they're just arising due to a confluence of multiple conditions.

Ignorance is also 'cunning' in that it is 'skilled' in making us ignorant of questioning what we take as certain to be true and completely ignorant to what we havn't even considered we don't know In other words, there are things we dont know and things we dont even know that we don't know. Remembering the latter category can be a sobering reminder not to be too sure about all these 'facts' we're so sure about.
Is feeling suicidal an effect? That did happen before a few times with Vajrasattva with the idea that occurred in my mind "what's the point of life? It's all a delusion, so is this body. Why should I live? I don't see any reason to live." Perhaps that's good sign that doesn't see like so(not that I should try!), or another form of ignorance? If all these signs are forms of ignorance including those of bodhicitta, then what is "true?" Sarasvati, Vajrasattva, Tara, Palden Lhamo, my root guru all give some feeling that all seems good, but are forms of ignorance? What is "truth" then?
Well, have you ever felt suicidal outside of practice? If so, then I doubt it is the result of practice. If you're familiar with the teachings on karma you would know that suicide doesn't result in annihilation or nothingness so samsara is not in anyway escaped or made more bearable through it.

Have you read teachings on the precious human rebirth, Tenma? Your thoughts regarding the pointlessness of living are not congruent with what the Buddha taught or past and present masters actually teach.

If you have problems with depression and suicidal thoughts, relying solely on Vajrayana when you're not fully rooted in common mahayana thought might prove challenging. It would be great if you sought out advice concerning low moods or suicidal thoughts from councillors or health care practioners.

You're still very young. In puberty...there's very little mental or hormonal stability at your age, I remember it. Not to mention the new challenges and pressures of being a teenager in today's world of social media and information overload...It's harder than ever being a teenager so please recognize the stresses of your age and go easy on yourself and the more complex aspects of Dharma. Be sure to seek out and listen to the advice of those here who also met the dharma or Vajrayana at a young age.

I never said feeling bodhichitta was a sign of ignorance. Nor did i outright dismiss all positive feelings as useless either. I was simply highlighting that the criteria for what is genuine experience or an actual sign from practice can vary dependant on where you are in your practice, mindset, level of physical health, mental tendencies, study of new dharma concepts, past karmic connections etc. Please don't think that feelings like joy, bodhichitta or inspiration are all ignorance. That's not what I meant. It's just that our joy can be dharmic or samsaric and it's easy to confuse the latter for the former.

---

P.s - some Tara practices do not require lung although it's advantageous.
No, the only time I was suicidal was in Vajrasattva like three times(I've done this practice almost daily, so it's not a common occurrence). Outside of spirituality, I don't feel any need of suicide.

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Re: Santa La Muerte

Post by Tenma » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:31 pm

Vasana wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:26 pm
Tenma wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:30 pm
Vasana wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:28 am


Feelings and practice experiences come ago. When it comes to our feelings in regards to the dharma and practice, what makes you 100% certain that every single instance of the arising of a feeling is any more a reliable indication than our regular feelings of attachmemt, aversion, ignorance, joy, sorrow, hope & fear?

Sure, certain practices under certain circumstances will yeild certain signs but you need a very strong degree of discernment to determine if you are just superimposing your own samsaric feelings onto practice/post-practice and lableing them as signs of practice. Many people feel happy and joyful after practice. That doesn't necessarily mean that that feeling is a sign of the practice per-se - it could just be the kind of happiness you get when you do something you know is good for you. It could be the feeling of rejoicing. It could be the simple intoxication that accompanies the 'honey-moon' period of Dharma practice that you're clearly in. Sooner or later, Tenma, the esoteric /occultish honeymoon will end ( or the supernatural fixation will intensify until real difficulties emerge from it) and it will then sink in for you that the 'real' dharma practice is renouncing, transforming or self-liberating dualistic thought and affliction. Sooner or later you will realise that you will have to live with your afflictions and ego under the painful conditons of samsara and the degenerate age until you are liberated. Only then will you perhaps think to get your Dharma priorities of study and practice in the order that is most skillfull for your circumstances. Real practice will mean increasingly seeing and smelling your own bullshit more clearly so prepare yourself for that in advance.

As for headaches and other pains - the same applies. Sometimes when I sit, my right foot and leg will feel uncomfortable and I'll feel fidgety. Or at other times, the eustacian tube that connects the ear to the throat will be inflamed and my hearing in one ear will become muffled. I could take these as signs of practice or I could see that they're just arising due to a confluence of multiple conditions.

Ignorance is also 'cunning' in that it is 'skilled' in making us ignorant of questioning what we take as certain to be true and completely ignorant to what we havn't even considered we don't know In other words, there are things we dont know and things we dont even know that we don't know. Remembering the latter category can be a sobering reminder not to be too sure about all these 'facts' we're so sure about.
Is feeling suicidal an effect? That did happen before a few times with Vajrasattva with the idea that occurred in my mind "what's the point of life? It's all a delusion, so is this body. Why should I live? I don't see any reason to live." Perhaps that's good sign that doesn't see like so(not that I should try!), or another form of ignorance? If all these signs are forms of ignorance including those of bodhicitta, then what is "true?" Sarasvati, Vajrasattva, Tara, Palden Lhamo, my root guru all give some feeling that all seems good, but are forms of ignorance? What is "truth" then?
Well, have you ever felt suicidal outside of practice? If so, then I doubt it is the result of practice although at some point in practice, fluctuations in mood can occur. If you're familiar with the teachings on karma you would know that suicide doesn't result in annihilation or nothingness so samsara is not in anyway escaped or made more bearable through it.

Have you read teachings on the precious human rebirth, Tenma? Your thoughts regarding the pointlessness of living are not congruent with what the Buddha taught or past and present masters actually teach.

If you have problems with depression and suicidal thoughts, relying solely on Vajrayana when you're not fully rooted in common mahayana thought might prove challenging. It would be great if you sought out advice concerning low moods or suicidal thoughts from councillors or health care practioners.

You're still very young. In puberty...there's very little mental or hormonal stability at your age, I remember it. Not to mention the new challenges and pressures of being a teenager in today's world of social media and information overload...It's harder than ever being a teenager so please recognize the stresses of your age and go easy on yourself and the more complex aspects of Dharma. Be sure to seek out and listen to the advice of those here who also met the dharma or Vajrayana at a young age.

I never said feeling bodhichitta was a sign of ignorance. Nor did i outright dismiss all positive feelings as useless either. I was simply highlighting that the criteria for what is genuine experience or an actual sign from practice can vary dependant on where you are in your practice, mindset, level of physical health, mental tendencies, study of new dharma concepts, past karmic connections etc. Please don't think that feelings like joy, bodhichitta or inspiration are all ignorance. That's not what I meant. It's just that our joy can be dharmic or samsaric and it's easy to confuse the latter for the former.

---

P.s - some Tara practices do not require lung although it's advantageous.
In that case, I'm doing my practice correctly? The joy in my worldly part doesn't have the same "rising" nor "cleansing" nor "cool" as is in Vajrasattva and Saraswati.

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Re: Santa La Muerte

Post by Vasana » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:37 pm

There's no way for us to know if you're doing your practice correctly. If your afflictions are decreasing, this is a good sign. If you pay more attention to cause and effect, this is a good sign. If you have increaased compassion and less self-fixation. There are lots of other important signs like that. Any other subjective signs are just passing 'nyams' regardless of how special or hot or cold they feel. Don't base your progress in practice on felings after practice alone. There's lots more going on and lots more to be aware of.
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Re: Santa La Muerte

Post by Tenma » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:38 pm

Vasana wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:37 pm
There's no way for us to know if you're doing your practice correctly. If your afflictions are decreasing, this is a good sign. If you pay more attention to cause and effect, this is a good sign. There are lots of other important signs like that. Any other subjective signs are just passing 'nyams'. Don't base your practice on feelings after practice alone. There's more going on.
Could you give an example of an affliction?

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Re: Santa La Muerte

Post by Vasana » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:41 pm

This is dharma 101. If you honestly don't know what is meant in Buddhism by afflictions, then this is a sign you havn't studied sufficiently to really develop your view and meditation.

http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?titl ... e_emotions

http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?titl ... ccupations
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Re: Santa La Muerte

Post by Malcolm » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:44 pm

Tenma wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:38 pm
Could you give an example of an affliction?
Desire, hatred, and ignorance. These are three afflictions. They are the forces that drive samsara.
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Re: Santa La Muerte

Post by Tenma » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:46 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:44 pm
Tenma wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:38 pm
Could you give an example of an affliction?
Desire, hatred, and ignorance. These are three afflictions. They are the forces that drive samsara.
Desire is decreasing, but hatred sometimes pops up randomly on stupid things such as obstacles like being prevented from practicing a sadhana from a very Christian mother who keeps being with me and I have to wait for her to leave the room. Ignorance, unfortunately, still lingers.

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Re: Santa La Muerte

Post by amanitamusc » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:06 pm

Tenma wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:46 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:44 pm
Tenma wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:38 pm
Could you give an example of an affliction?
Desire, hatred, and ignorance. These are three afflictions. They are the forces that drive samsara.
Desire is decreasing, but hatred sometimes pops up randomly on stupid things such as obstacles like being prevented from practicing a sadhana from a very Christian mother who keeps being with me and I have to wait for her to leave the room. Ignorance, unfortunately, still lingers.
One way to view obstacles is that they are a blessing and without them it would be difficult to develop qualities like patience amongst
others.

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Re: Santa La Muerte

Post by Tenma » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:13 pm

amanitamusc wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:06 pm
Tenma wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:46 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:44 pm


Desire, hatred, and ignorance. These are three afflictions. They are the forces that drive samsara.
Desire is decreasing, but hatred sometimes pops up randomly on stupid things such as obstacles like being prevented from practicing a sadhana from a very Christian mother who keeps being with me and I have to wait for her to leave the room. Ignorance, unfortunately, still lingers.
One way to view obstacles is that they are a blessing and without them it would be difficult to develop qualities like patience amongst
others.
Is death a blessing?

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Re: Santa La Muerte

Post by Mantrik » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:18 pm

When a minor posts about suicidal feelings and death as a blessing I think I must echo the advice that this is not a matter for discussion here, especially with mention of dharmapalas and practices grabbed from websites.

Tenma, conebeckham has offewred to help you with a Lama's advice. I would suggest avoiding all dharmapala and deity practices for which you have no formal empowerment until matters are clarified.
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Re: Santa La Muerte

Post by Tenma » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:20 pm

Mantrik wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:18 pm
When a minor posts about suicidal feelings and death as a blessing I think I must echo the advice that this is not a matter for discussion here, especially with mention of dharmapalas and practices grabbed from websites.

Tenma, conebeckham has offewred to help you with a Lama's advice. I would suggest avoiding all dharmapala and deity practices for which you have no formal empowerment until matters are clarified.
Fair enough.

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