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Obstacle years

Post by philji » Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:24 pm

When do obstacle years occur? Is it every 12 th year..i.e. if i am year of the dog sign they will arise in that year..or is it when the 12/24/36 th year etc ends and i enter 13/25/37 th year etc.

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Re: Obstacle years

Post by Malcolm » Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:42 pm

philji wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:24 pm
When do obstacle years occur? Is it every 12 th year..i.e. if i am year of the dog sign they will arise in that year..or is it when the 12/24/36 th year etc ends and i enter 13/25/37 th year etc.
If you are a dog, then the next year is an obstacle year.
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-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
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One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
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Re: Obstacle years

Post by philji » Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:45 pm

Thanks.

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Post by Grigoris » Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:11 pm

Shiiiit... The past twenty years have been obstacle years for me, you get it light with just one! :)
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Re: Obstacle years

Post by kirtu » Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:56 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:42 pm
philji wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:24 pm
When do obstacle years occur? Is it every 12 th year..i.e. if i am year of the dog sign they will arise in that year..or is it when the 12/24/36 th year etc ends and i enter 13/25/37 th year etc.
If you are a dog, then the next year is an obstacle year.
So then, if one were born late in the centipede year, would the entire centipede year be the obstacle year or is it the year from ones birthday? Since people usually didn't know their birthday, is the year following the season that one was born in the obstacle year or is it considered to be the astrological year?

Thanks!

Kirt
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Re: Obstacle years

Post by AilurusFulgens » Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:16 pm

kirtu wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:56 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:42 pm
philji wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:24 pm
When do obstacle years occur? Is it every 12 th year..i.e. if i am year of the dog sign they will arise in that year..or is it when the 12/24/36 th year etc ends and i enter 13/25/37 th year etc.
If you are a dog, then the next year is an obstacle year.
So then, if one were born late in the centipede year, would the entire centipede year be the obstacle year or is it the year from ones birthday? Since people usually didn't know their birthday, is the year following the season that one was born in the obstacle year or is it considered to be the astrological year?

Thanks!

Kirt
I do not want to interrupt your discussion, but does there really exist something like a centipede year in the Tibetan astrology/calendar?

If so, then Kirt you have my deepest sympathy. I mean, I cannot imagine how you manage the footwear.

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Re: Obstacle years

Post by Malcolm » Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:21 pm

kirtu wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:56 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:42 pm
philji wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:24 pm
When do obstacle years occur? Is it every 12 th year..i.e. if i am year of the dog sign they will arise in that year..or is it when the 12/24/36 th year etc ends and i enter 13/25/37 th year etc.
If you are a dog, then the next year is an obstacle year.
So then, if one were born late in the centipede year, would the entire centipede year be the obstacle year or is it the year from ones birthday? Since people usually didn't know their birthday, is the year following the season that one was born in the obstacle year or is it considered to be the astrological year?

Thanks!

Kirt
It does not matter when in the centipede year you were born, if you were born the day before the centipede year becomes the millipede year, you are still a centipede and it is still your obstacle year from new years onward.
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Post by Grigoris » Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:34 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:21 pm
kirtu wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:56 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:42 pm


If you are a dog, then the next year is an obstacle year.
So then, if one were born late in the centipede year, would the entire centipede year be the obstacle year or is it the year from ones birthday? Since people usually didn't know their birthday, is the year following the season that one was born in the obstacle year or is it considered to be the astrological year?

Thanks!

Kirt
It does not matter when in the centipede year you were born, if you were born the day before the centipede year becomes the millipede year, you are still a centipede and it is still your obstacle year from new years onward.
So the year after your birth year is an obstacle year?
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Obstacle years

Post by kirtu » Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:36 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:21 pm
kirtu wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:56 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:42 pm


If you are a dog, then the next year is an obstacle year.
So then, if one were born late in the centipede year, would the entire centipede year be the obstacle year or is it the year from ones birthday? Since people usually didn't know their birthday, is the year following the season that one was born in the obstacle year or is it considered to be the astrological year?

Thanks!

Kirt
It does not matter when in the centipede year you were born, if you were born the day before the centipede year becomes the millipede year, you are still a centipede and it is still your obstacle year from new years onward.
Well what if nothing particullarly challenging happens in the centipede year?

Kirt
Kirt's Tibetan Translation Notes

"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: Obstacle years

Post by Malcolm » Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:38 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:34 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:21 pm
kirtu wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:56 pm


So then, if one were born late in the centipede year, would the entire centipede year be the obstacle year or is it the year from ones birthday? Since people usually didn't know their birthday, is the year following the season that one was born in the obstacle year or is it considered to be the astrological year?

Thanks!

Kirt
It does not matter when in the centipede year you were born, if you were born the day before the centipede year becomes the millipede year, you are still a centipede and it is still your obstacle year from new years onward.
So the year after your birth year is an obstacle year?

No, if you were born in a dog year, the dog year is your obstacle year. In Tibetan astrology, you are 1 year old the day you are born. Let's say you were born on the last day of this year, the fire bird year. On the first day of the following year, the earth dog year, you would be 2. Your thirteenth year would be the next bird year, that would be your obstacle year. Your 7-off side year would be the next rabbit year, which is the enemy of bird, another obstacle year. There are generally two obstacle years per 12 year cycle, your rang lo, or the animal year of your birth and the seventh year from that birth year.
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Obstacle years

Post by Malcolm » Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:39 pm

kirtu wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:36 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:21 pm
kirtu wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:56 pm


So then, if one were born late in the centipede year, would the entire centipede year be the obstacle year or is it the year from ones birthday? Since people usually didn't know their birthday, is the year following the season that one was born in the obstacle year or is it considered to be the astrological year?

Thanks!

Kirt
It does not matter when in the centipede year you were born, if you were born the day before the centipede year becomes the millipede year, you are still a centipede and it is still your obstacle year from new years onward.
Well what if nothing particullarly challenging happens in the centipede year?

Kirt
That is just fine. Not everyone has the same cycle of elements, mewas, parkha and so on. And, karma trumps astrology.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Obstacle years

Post by pemachophel » Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:43 pm

one of my teachers just told me the effects of the obstacle year can sometimes be felt six months in advance if it's going to be a really bad year.

also, there are practices for turning back these negative conditions, at least in part.
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Re: Obstacle years

Post by Malcolm » Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:45 pm

pemachophel wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:43 pm
one of my teachers just told me the effects of the obstacle year can sometimes be felt six months in advance if it's going to be a really bad year.

also, there are practices for turning back these negative conditions, at least in part.
In general, for men the year before is also an obstacle year, for women, the year after.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Obstacle years

Post by kirtu » Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:47 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:38 pm
... Your 7-off side year would be the next rabbit year, which is the enemy of bird, another obstacle year. There are generally two obstacle years per 12 year cycle, your rang lo, or the animal year of your birth and the seventh year from that birth year.
WHAT?? There's another obstacle year? It's the 7nth year from the birth year in the cycle?
Malcolm wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:39 pm
kirtu wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:36 pm

Well what if nothing particullarly challenging happens in the centipede year?

Kirt
That is just fine. Not everyone has the same cycle of elements, mewas, parkha and so on. And, karma trumps astrology.
Mewas, parkha ? Are the elements other than the five elements (so are they some collection of something else or are they actually the five elements affected by time, location and other factors)?

Thanks!

Kirt
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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
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"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
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Re: Obstacle years

Post by kirtu » Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:49 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:45 pm
pemachophel wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:43 pm
one of my teachers just told me the effects of the obstacle year can sometimes be felt six months in advance if it's going to be a really bad year.

also, there are practices for turning back these negative conditions, at least in part.
In general, for men the year before is also an obstacle year, for women, the year after.
So there's actually at least a third obstacle year. Does the before -after male/female rule also apply to the 7nth year?

Kirt
Kirt's Tibetan Translation Notes

"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: Obstacle years

Post by kirtu » Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:50 pm

pemachophel wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:43 pm
also, there are practices for turning back these negative conditions, at least in part.
Such as? Does sang offering cover it?

Kirt
Kirt's Tibetan Translation Notes

"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: Obstacle years

Post by philji » Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:59 pm

Is it better to focus on long life practices or obstacle removing practices in the obstacle year... of course Sangchod is also a given.

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Re: Obstacle years

Post by cyril » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:00 pm

kirtu wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:50 pm
pemachophel wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:43 pm
also, there are practices for turning back these negative conditions, at least in part.
Such as? Does sang offering cover it?

Kirt
If you received transmission from Chogyal Namkhai Norbu, you might want to check "The four methods of development" book.
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Re: Obstacle years

Post by KathyLauren » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:24 pm

How is the concept of "obstacle years" helpful? Obstacles arise when they arise, regardless of the calendar. Deal with them as they arise. Deal with them before they arise if you can. What has the calendar got to do with it?

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Re: Obstacle years

Post by cyril » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:43 pm

KathyLauren wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:24 pm
How is the concept of "obstacle years" helpful? Obstacles arise when they arise, regardless of the calendar. Deal with them as they arise. Deal with them before they arise if you can. What has the calendar got to do with it?

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Obstacles arise indeed due to the karma accumulated but they can only manifest when there are secondary causes which allow them to. Obstacle years imply that there is conflict between the elements of life, body, capacity and fortune of the year of birth and the corresponding elements of the obstacle year. Hence, the secondary causes are set for the obstacles to manifest. At least, thats my understanding...
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