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Re: Obstacle years

Post by KathyLauren » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:56 pm

cyril wrote:
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How is the concept of "obstacle years" helpful? Obstacles arise when they arise, regardless of the calendar. Deal with them as they arise. Deal with them before they arise if you can. What has the calendar got to do with it?

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Obstacles arise indeed due to the karma accumulated but they can only manifest when there are secondary causes which allow them to. Obstacle years imply that there is conflict between the elements of life, body, capacity and fortune of the year of birth and the corresponding elements of the obstacle year. Hence, the secondary causes are set for the obstacles to manifest. At least, thats my understanding...
But does knowing that help one deal with them? If one has good strategies for dealing with obstacles, one deals with them. If not, one doesn't. Again, how does this help?

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Re: Obstacle years

Post by Malcolm » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:57 pm

kirtu wrote:
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one of my teachers just told me the effects of the obstacle year can sometimes be felt six months in advance if it's going to be a really bad year.

also, there are practices for turning back these negative conditions, at least in part.
In general, for men the year before is also an obstacle year, for women, the year after.
So there's actually at least a third obstacle year. Does the before -after male/female rule also apply to the 7nth year?

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Re: Obstacle years

Post by cyril » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:06 pm

KathyLauren wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:56 pm
cyril wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:43 pm
KathyLauren wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:24 pm
How is the concept of "obstacle years" helpful? Obstacles arise when they arise, regardless of the calendar. Deal with them as they arise. Deal with them before they arise if you can. What has the calendar got to do with it?

Om mani padme hum
Kathy
Obstacles arise indeed due to the karma accumulated but they can only manifest when there are secondary causes which allow them to. Obstacle years imply that there is conflict between the elements of life, body, capacity and fortune of the year of birth and the corresponding elements of the obstacle year. Hence, the secondary causes are set for the obstacles to manifest. At least, thats my understanding...
But does knowing that help one deal with them? If one has good strategies for dealing with obstacles, one deals with them. If not, one doesn't. Again, how does this help?

Om mani padme hum
Kathy
There are methods to mitigate the enmity between elements in the obstacle year. Knowing in advance when to apply such methods is kinda useful, IMO.
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Re: Obstacle years

Post by KathyLauren » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:25 pm

cyril wrote:
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There are methods to mitigate the enmity between elements in the obstacle year. Knowing in advance when to apply such methods is kinda useful, IMO.
OK. Thanks.

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Re: Obstacle years

Post by Grigoris » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:38 pm

KathyLauren wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:24 pm
How is the concept of "obstacle years" helpful? Obstacles arise when they arise, regardless of the calendar. Deal with them as they arise. Deal with them before they arise if you can. What has the calendar got to do with it?

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Like I said: 20 obstacleyears in a row, going on 21! :)
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Re: Obstacle years

Post by pemachophel » Mon Jan 01, 2018 12:29 am

according to one of my Teachers, gya-nag-poi kag-dog is specific for turning back the malign influences of obstacle years. recite number of times equal to age plus one (at the minimum). other dok-pas, e.g., drol-kar, prajna paramita, senge dongma, also all good.
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Re: Obstacle years

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... gya-nag-poi kag-dog ...
rgya nag (po'i) skag zlog

Is this it ? : Averting Temporal Obstacles by Mipham Rinpoche

There is a "fuller" dharani apparently translated "originally" into Chinese (as the German references state).
A summary of the fuller dhāraṇī which was spoken by Mañjuśrī and is included within the Compendium of Dhāraṇīs (gzungs bsdus), this is a practice for averting obstacles linked to particular moments in time.
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Re: Obstacle years

Post by Konchog1 » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:56 am

Malcolm wrote:
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It does not matter when in the centipede year you were born, if you were born the day before the centipede year becomes the millipede year, you are still a centipede and it is still your obstacle year from new years onward.
So the year after your birth year is an obstacle year?

No, if you were born in a dog year, the dog year is your obstacle year. In Tibetan astrology, you are 1 year old the day you are born. Let's say you were born on the last day of this year, the fire bird year. On the first day of the following year, the earth dog year, you would be 2. Your thirteenth year would be the next bird year, that would be your obstacle year. Your 7-off side year would be the next rabbit year, which is the enemy of bird, another obstacle year. There are generally two obstacle years per 12 year cycle, your rang lo, or the animal year of your birth and the seventh year from that birth year.
So if you are born in 1984, are you a wood mouse or a wood ox (one year later)?

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Re: Obstacle years

Post by pemachophel » Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:42 pm

mipham's is the condensed version which is good for accumulating repetitions if one cannot do the longer one from the zung-du.

also, dorje gotrab/vajra armor good to accumulate since it also protects from all ill saspects of year, month, day, time, mewa, parkha, etc.
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Re: Obstacle years

Post by pael » Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:49 pm

I am sheep (I was born July 1991). Which are my obstacle years?
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pael wrote:
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I am sheep (I was born July 1991). Which are my obstacle years?
2003, 2015, 2027 and so on every 12 years.

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Re: Obstacle years

Post by pemachophel » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:50 pm

another good thing to is lung-ta sang-chod. there are a number (many?) different versions of this. the one's i use are Pegyal Lingpa's and H.H. Dudjom Rinpoche's (as examples).
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Post by Soma999 » Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:47 pm

i remember a yogi i met who, considering jyotish, should die at a certain age. At this particular age, he decided to do a road trip in motorcycle in the most dangerous road of the himalayas. He wasn’t scared by the possibility of dying. He gave his one hundred percent, performed sadhanas, and he didn’t die, contradicing the many predictions of his chart. He went through it.

Great inspiration. Don’t let your mind be prisonners of ideas or fatality.

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Re: Obstacle years

Post by Fa Dao » Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:48 pm

ok so I have been reading both Tibetan and Chinese and I am a water tiger born in 1962. The past couple of years have not gone well to say the least. Supposedly this next year is supposed to be better except that I turn 56 in May which is 7x8....how does that work? or do we start at 1 when we are born which would mean for these purposes I am turning 57...confused and could use a little help...
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Re: Obstacle years

Post by Virgo » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:21 am

The Monkey year was your opposite year, also your life has been cut for two years in a row now (Monkey and Bird both have a metal life element).

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pemachophel wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:43 pm
one of my teachers just told me the effects of the obstacle year can sometimes be felt six months in advance if it's going to be a really bad year.

also, there are practices for turning back these negative conditions, at least in part.
This makes sense to me. Last year was hell for me (minus some absolutely amazing Dharma). This year which is supposedly my obstacle year has been a breeze in comparison... knock on wood, I still have a month and a half left.

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Re: Obstacle years

Post by Virgo » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:15 am

Astrology is like soup. There are many ingredients. Each one has it's own flavor, but if there are many good ingredients, you do not even taste the ones that that have a bad flavor, or you barely taste them. Likewise, obstacle year is not something that stands alone. They are an important ingredient, but if most of the other ingredients are good... your fine,there is nothing to worry about.

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Post by DGA » Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:29 pm

In our household, we have a fire dragon, a fire snake, and a fire monkey. There's some possibility that an earth dog may be joining us. I'm trying to anticipate how the relationships among us might work, but I'm an ignoramus when it comes to astrology. What would you expect from such a group?

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Post by Vasana » Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:42 pm

Another question: I have the four methods of development book. Is there another book for making sense of astrology in General?

I'm an earth snake (1989) . Am I right in thinking 2013 was an obstacle year or was it 2012?
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Re: Obstacle years

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DGA wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:29 pm
In our household, we have a fire dragon, a fire snake, and a fire monkey. There's some possibility that an earth dog may be joining us. I'm trying to anticipate how the relationships among us might work, but I'm an ignoramus when it comes to astrology. What would you expect from such a group?
You have to look at the friend (and also enemy) relationship of the animals. For example, Dragon and Monkey are friends, Snake and Monkey, though not enemies don't have a great relationship, (but in the Chinese interpretation we can see that Snake is actually the secret friend of Monkey, which is something interesting). The Dragon and the Dog are enemies. But what is important here is not just that facts. For example, between their natal charts their could be harmonies, even very strong ones.

Then you have to look at the elemental makeups using the mother-son, friend-enemy cycles, and so on, category per category.

For example:

Fire Dragon has a
Life element of Earth
Capacity element of Fire
Body element of Earth
Lungta element of Wood

Fire Monkey has a
Life element of Metal
Capacity element of Fire
Body element of Fire
Lungta element of Wood

Fire Snake has a
Life element of Fire
Capacity of Fire
Body element of Earth
Lungta element of Water

Earth Dog has a
Life element of Earth
Capacity element of Earth
Body element of Wood
Lungta element of Metal

So for example, everyones capacity in the household will be supporting the Earth Dog's capacity. The Earth Dog won't be doing the majority of the chores, lol.

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