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Re: Tibetan divination article

Post by Mantrik » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:28 pm

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Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:26 pm
He put His mirror in a bowl of rice. He also lit a lamp or candle. He said some prayers &/or mantra and threw rice on the mirror. once the mirror was "opened," He would answer questions from different people. during the session, there was always someone to write down the answers. at he end of a session, He would close the mirror and put out the candle or lamp. He answered exactly the question that was asked. so if your question was not very clear, so might be the answer. for complicated situations, it was best to ask a series of simple questions.

hope this what you were asking. i'm going out now. ta-ta.
Have a great time. :)
Yes, that is exactly the information I was interested to know. :)
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Re: Tibetan divination article

Post by Tiago Simões » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:39 pm

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according the H.H. Dudjom Rinpoche, in one of His lives, He was Dhadichi rishi, but that's a whole other story.
That's a story I'd like to hear 🙂
Then, the Licchavi Vimalakīrti spoke to the elder Śāriputra and the great disciples: “Reverends, eat of the food of the Tathāgata! It is ambrosia perfumed by the great compassion. But do not fix your minds in narrow-minded attitudes, lest you be unable to receive its gift.”

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Re: Tibetan divination article

Post by Dorje Shedrub » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:45 pm

pemachophel wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:26 pm
He put His mirror in a bowl of rice. He also lit a lamp or candle. He said some prayers &/or mantra and threw rice on the mirror. once the mirror was "opened," He would answer questions from different people. during the session, there was always someone to write down the answers. at he end of a session, He would close the mirror and put out the candle or lamp. He answered exactly the question that was asked. so if your question was not very clear, so might be the answer. for complicated situations, it was best to ask a series of simple questions.

hope this what you were asking. i'm going out now. ta-ta.
Thanks for sharing. Did he use Dorje Yudronma? He used a mirror and not Melong?
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Re: Tibetan divination article

Post by climb-up » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:46 pm

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Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:59 pm
not sure about "virgin purity." could be. but, ime, i think it has more to do with the lack of agenda or ulterior motive in the young. no particular expectations, no great ego involvement, no monetary ambitions or desire for name and fame. just a game. no attachment.

i don't know if i've told this story before on DW. if so, i apologize. my paternal grandfather was from the orkneys and he had "sight." when i was in 6th grade, i was picked off the street in nyc to be tested for a new tv show. we're talking about the late 1950s. the tv show was about esp, and i was tested for identifying cards that were being turned over but which i couldn't see. i scored very, very high and was asked to come back for more testing (which got me out of school). however, at a certain point, we started winning silver dollars for each right answer. that put an end to my esp. the money clouded my otherwise niave intuition. at first the money didn't affect me, but as i began winning, i wanted to win more and i started winning less and less. because the drama of the show was based on winning money, i never got on the air. (i still have the silver dollars that i won.)

as a corollary of this, my Teacher was not allowed to ask questions about Himself. this was a samaya of the practice.

yes, i am talking about Acharya Lama Dawa Chodrak. Lama Dawa was also a Tulku. according the H.H. Dudjom Rinpoche, in one of His lives, He was Dhadichi rishi, but that's a whole other story.
Russell Targ, a pioneer remote viewing researcher, had a similar experience.
They set up a protocol for remote viewing the silver market in stocks, and made a lot of money (way more than allowable by chance); but, at some point they stopped doing it as a disinterested experiment and started to really want to make a lot of money...
...they promptly stopped being successful.

I suspect that some are able to do it, but that kind of thing is SO common in psychic and magical literature. Fascinating.

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Re: Tibetan divination article

Post by pemachophel » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:35 am

Dorje Yudronma was the intermediary. She is the custodian of the terma He practiced along with Mugdzin Wangpo (Black Dzambhala).

sorry, yes, melong. to me that's a mirror.
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Re: Tibetan divination article

Post by Tenma » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:53 am

pemachophel wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:35 am
Dorje Yudronma was the intermediary. She is the custodian of the terma He practiced along with Mugdzin Wangpo (Black Dzambhala).

sorry, yes, melong. to me that's a mirror.
I thought Lama Dawa did Red Saraswati divination. Did he not? So Red Saraswati doesn't have a divination? Or is there a difference between enlightened divination and worldly divination?

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Re: Tibetan divination article

Post by pemachophel » Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:08 pm

yes, it was Cho-kyi Go-cha's Red Saraswati terma cycle that led Lama Dawa to develop His abilities at mirror divination. but Dorje Yudronma is the custodian Protectress of that cycle and She is actually the intermediary Who manifests the visions in the mirror. i have posted elsewhere here on DW the full contents of that cycle.
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Re: Tibetan divination article

Post by climb-up » Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:51 pm

Mantrik wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:00 am
climb-up wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:58 am
Here's a very interesting article on Tibetan styles of divination that I'm sure at least some will enjoy reading:
https://perfumedskull.com/2018/01/12/te ... ivination/

One question, if anyone knows.
I've seen ChNN demonstrate mala divination (although I don't yet have his book). I've also seen books specifically saying not to use the mala (that's used in sadhanas) for divination.
Would a diviner generally have a mala specifically for divination, and another one (or several) for their sadhanas?
Great article, thanks. :)
ChNN has a booklet about Mala Divination which seems impossible to obtain now. Shame they don't make pdf files of the out-of-print booklets.
Of course, there is also the Yudronma dice divination system he has published.
Some shamans use the same system of mala divination and use of the melong. The melong/toli use may well predate Buddhism.
I've not personally heard of using a separate mala.
Sorry for hte thread necromancy but,
The mala divination booklet is currently available from shang shung USA (...or at least, it says it is. I won't know till it shows up in the mail).
Unfortunately the dice divination book completely disappeared from the website, but I assume it will be back at some point.

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Re: Tibetan divination article

Post by Mantrik » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:26 am

climb-up wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:51 pm
Mantrik wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:00 am
climb-up wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:58 am
Here's a very interesting article on Tibetan styles of divination that I'm sure at least some will enjoy reading:
https://perfumedskull.com/2018/01/12/te ... ivination/

One question, if anyone knows.
I've seen ChNN demonstrate mala divination (although I don't yet have his book). I've also seen books specifically saying not to use the mala (that's used in sadhanas) for divination.
Would a diviner generally have a mala specifically for divination, and another one (or several) for their sadhanas?
Great article, thanks. :)
ChNN has a booklet about Mala Divination which seems impossible to obtain now. Shame they don't make pdf files of the out-of-print booklets.
Of course, there is also the Yudronma dice divination system he has published.
Some shamans use the same system of mala divination and use of the melong. The melong/toli use may well predate Buddhism.
I've not personally heard of using a separate mala.
Sorry for hte thread necromancy but,
The mala divination booklet is currently available from shang shung USA (...or at least, it says it is. I won't know till it shows up in the mail).
Unfortunately the dice divination book completely disappeared from the website, but I assume it will be back at some point.
Thanks. I'll check it out. :)
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Re: Tibetan divination article

Post by Fortyeightvows » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:20 pm

pemachophel wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:59 pm
(i still have the silver dollars that i won.)
How much silver is in them?
How much would you sell one for?

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Re: Tibetan divination article

Post by pemachophel » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:55 pm

fortyeight, just go to a coin store.
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Re: Tibetan divination article

Post by Fortyeightvows » Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:31 am

:alien:

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Re: Tibetan divination article

Post by Sennin » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:10 am

climb-up wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:51 pm
Mantrik wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:00 am
climb-up wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:58 am
Here's a very interesting article on Tibetan styles of divination that I'm sure at least some will enjoy reading:
https://perfumedskull.com/2018/01/12/te ... ivination/

One question, if anyone knows.
I've seen ChNN demonstrate mala divination (although I don't yet have his book). I've also seen books specifically saying not to use the mala (that's used in sadhanas) for divination.
Would a diviner generally have a mala specifically for divination, and another one (or several) for their sadhanas?
Great article, thanks. :)
ChNN has a booklet about Mala Divination which seems impossible to obtain now. Shame they don't make pdf files of the out-of-print booklets.
Of course, there is also the Yudronma dice divination system he has published.
Some shamans use the same system of mala divination and use of the melong. The melong/toli use may well predate Buddhism.
I've not personally heard of using a separate mala.
Sorry for hte thread necromancy but,
The mala divination booklet is currently available from shang shung USA (...or at least, it says it is. I won't know till it shows up in the mail).
Unfortunately the dice divination book completely disappeared from the website, but I assume it will be back at some point.
Thanks for the update.
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Re: Tibetan divination article

Post by Dragpo » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:06 am

Chogyal Namkhai Norbu explains Mo divination

https://youtu.be/hvP2M_XoYB0

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Re: Tibetan divination article

Post by humble.student » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:54 am

Here's an interesting lecture on Tibetan divination:

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