"YUNDAN TRINLEY DORJE RINPOCHE"

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"YUNDAN TRINLEY DORJE RINPOCHE"

Post by Fortyeightvows » Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:59 pm

Is anyone familiar with this lama?

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Post by marting » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:34 pm

The problems with seeking internet gossip about a Lama is that it's gossip and it's on the internet, though some somehow think it is under the category of making a critical evaluation. Meet him in person and talk.

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Post by Pero » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:53 pm

marting wrote:
Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:34 pm
The problems with seeking internet gossip about a Lama is that it's gossip and it's on the internet, though some somehow think it is under the category of making a critical evaluation. Meet him in person and talk.
Yes because the wolf would warn the little red riding hood that he will eat her. :roll:
Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
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Post by Ricky » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:57 pm

Give it a try. It could be possible he might be a wolf in sheep's clothing or a highly realized bodhisattva. :shrug:

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Post by javier.espinoza.t » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:14 am

marting wrote:
Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:34 pm
The problems with seeking internet gossip about a Lama is that it's gossip and it's on the internet, though some somehow think it is under the category of making a critical evaluation. Meet him in person and talk.
it is better to gather all the background and then make a decision. teacher examination is not about being blind and having faith, it takes time.
what are you doing

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Post by Fortyeightvows » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:47 am

All I asked was "Is anyone familiar with this lama?"
So far it seems like no one is.

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Post by florin » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:16 am

Ricky wrote:
Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:17 pm
this guy? http://www.atikopa.org/html%20en/Page%2 ... 202-2.html
Apart from that one page everything else is in chinese
“The path of the supreme yoga it is not the path of accomplished sages of the past. Whoever enters onto the path of the sages of the past will end up gripped by the sicknesses of the path - meditation, attachment, and exertion.”Thig le drug pa.

“Everything of the universe of saṃsāra and nirvāṇa arises as the enlightened energy of the one self-perfected Natural Presence. But these teachers still mistakenly teach that disciples should fabricate enlightenment by applying discipline, renunciation, interruption, purification and transformation”.

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Post by Mantrik » Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:25 pm

Well, the links to US temples just loop back to the teachings page. There is a lot of 'based on' and 'been in contact with' rather than any facts I can find. Google translate, of course, is far from perfect:

http://www.atikopa.org/html%20en/Page%2 ... 01-1.html#
http://www.khyung.com

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Re: "YUNDAN TRINLEY DORJE RINPOCHE"

Post by jmlee369 » Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:57 pm

Back when I was in a new city and looking for a dharma centre, I came across a temple of his online and saw a couple of red flags. With teachers who are more active in the Sino-sphere, it can be a bit more difficult for English speakers to evaluate because the style and wording is a product of Chinese to English translation. However, in this case it seems to me that he is taking advantage of Chinese speaking people who are not familiar with Tibetan Buddhism. First obvious red flag is that lay people at his centre dress up in monastic robes and wear Gelug pandita hats as you can see here, here, and here. It looks to me like a "Tibetan" take on the legitimate Chinese practice of laypeople wearing manyi and haiqing.

Second problem is lineage. You can see from his biography here vague statements like the following:
Rinpoche was born in Hebei Province, China. He began practicing the Guanyin Lineage by following his elders since the age of three. He then followed the steps of many Buddhist practitioners from Nyingma School, Gelug School, Sakya School and Zen Buddhism. Among his teachers, there are Qing Ding Master, Jigme Phuntsok (Dharma King), Tashi Rinpoche, Hai Zheng Master, Hai Cheng Master and Hui Xin Master. Under the teaching of these masters, Yundan Trinley Dorje Rinpoche practiced the complicated tantric dharma, sutras and mantras, and received the true essence of heritage of the Medicine Buddha meditation practice and became the Dharma Holder of the Medicine Buddha Lineage.
He has no definite lineage, just a list of different teachers and schools. No word on how he got his title. The closest thing I could find was a mention of his 'ancestral home' being Zhaojue Temple, a temple famous for being a large Chinese Gelug institution. This group apparently considers the current abbot of Zhaojue temple to be a elder dharma brother, implying that Zhaojue temple is where he was trained.

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Post by humble.student » Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:34 pm

jmlee369 wrote:He has no definite lineage, just a list of different teachers and schools. No word on how he got his title. The closest thing I could find was a mention of his 'ancestral home' being Zhaojue Temple, a temple famous for being a large Chinese Gelug institution. This group apparently considers the current abbot of Zhaojue temple to be a elder dharma brother, implying that Zhaojue temple is where he was trained.
Ven. Qingding (successor to Nenghai Lama), named on one of the pages you linked to, was the abbot of Zhaojue temple until his death 20 years ago. Following Nenghai's lead, the monks (and nuns) in that Gelug-derived tradition typically wear the usual Chinese monastic robes, though somewhat modified in a Tibetanised fashion, but not "full Tibetan" as the pictures and videos show. FWIW.

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