Prajñāpāramitā and it's most influential commentaries.

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Prajñāpāramitā and it's most influential commentaries.

Post by Sennin » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:30 pm

Hi,

I'm interested in the most influential sutras and commentaries of the Prajñāpāramitā teachings. I am leaning towards studying the Abhisamayalamkara.
https://www.amazon.com/Gone-Beyond-Praj ... XWENT518EW


Also I am interested in any resources you would recommend.

Thanks
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Re: Prajñāpāramitā and it's most influential commentaries.

Post by Malcolm » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:41 pm

Sennin wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:30 pm
Hi,

I'm interested in the most influential sutras and commentaries of the Prajñāpāramitā teachings. I am leaning towards studying the Abhisamayalamkara.
https://www.amazon.com/Gone-Beyond-Praj ... XWENT518EW


Also I am interested in any resources you would recommend.

Thanks
Best to get Gareth Sparham's 4 volume translation of Vimuktisena and Haribhadra's commentaries. No point in studying later Tibetan systems of this until one has studied that. Also, among Tibetan commentaries available in English, Tsongkhapa's is probably the best in terms of clarity of the translation. It is also translated by Spareham.

https://www.amazon.com/Abhisamayalamkar ... 7YVDNCMV4P

https://www.amazon.com/Golden-Garland-E ... N4002R6PX2
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Prajñāpāramitā and it's most influential commentaries.

Post by Sennin » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:51 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:41 pm
Sennin wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:30 pm
Hi,

I'm interested in the most influential sutras and commentaries of the Prajñāpāramitā teachings. I am leaning towards studying the Abhisamayalamkara.
https://www.amazon.com/Gone-Beyond-Praj ... XWENT518EW


Also I am interested in any resources you would recommend.

Thanks
Best to get Gareth Sparham's 4 volume translation of Vimuktisena and Haribhadra's commentaries. No point in studying later Tibetan systems of this until one has studied that. Also, among Tibetan commentaries available in English, Tsongkhapa's is probably the best in terms of clarity of the translation. It is also translated by Spareham.

https://www.amazon.com/Abhisamayalamkar ... 7YVDNCMV4P

https://www.amazon.com/Golden-Garland-E ... N4002R6PX2
Thank, just what I was looking for.
I am novice when it comes to these teachings so I appreciate getting the earliest most authoritative texts.
Namo Guru Bhyaḥ

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Re: Prajñāpāramitā and it's most influential commentaries.

Post by Norwegian » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:57 pm

Well, there's the two-volume Kagyu commentary set which you linked one of, then there's Groundless paths which contains commentaries from the Nyingma tradition. Other than that there's Sparham's 4 volume set Abhisamayalamkara with Vritti by Arya Vimuktisena and Aloka by Haribhadra. Sparham has also translated Tsongkhapa's commentary of the Vritti and the Aloka, in 4 volumes, called Golden Garland of Eloquence.

Links for those books here:

Abhisamayalamkara with Vritti by Arya Vimuktisena and Haribhadra's Aloka, (Sparham):
Vol.1: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0875730116/
Vol.2: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0875730124/
Vol.3: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0875730132/
Vol.4: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0875730140/

Golden Garland of Eloquence by Tsongkhapa, (Sparham):
Vol.1: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0875730159/
Vol.2: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0875730167/
Vol.3: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0875730175/
Vol.4: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0875730140/

Gone Beyond [Kagyu], (Brunnhölzl):
Vol.1: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1559393564/
Vol.2: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1559393572/

Groundless Paths [Nyingma], (Brunnhölzl):
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1559393750/

Edit: I see Malcolm posted before me :)

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Post by Sennin » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:07 pm

Norwegian wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:57 pm
Well, there's the two-volume Kagyu commentary set which you linked one of, then there's Groundless paths which contains commentaries from the Nyingma tradition.
Groundless Paths [Nyingma], (Brunnhölzl):
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1559393750/
Thank you. I was unaware of the Nyingma commentary.
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Post by Losal Samten » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:22 pm

Sennin wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:07 pm
Thank you. I was unaware of the Nyingma commentary.
Paltrul's is mostly a slightly edited down version of Tsongkhapa's, from what I recall.
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Re: Prajñāpāramitā and it's most influential commentaries.

Post by Sennin » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:28 pm

Losal Samten wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:22 pm
Sennin wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:07 pm
Thank you. I was unaware of the Nyingma commentary.
Paltrul's is mostly a slightly edited down version of Tsongkhapa's, from what I recall.
I see. I'm going to study Vol.I of the Sparham translation; and if I can 'really, really' get into it will continue with all the volumes and move towards the Tibetan commentaries.
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Re: Prajñāpāramitā and it's most influential commentaries.

Post by Malcolm » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:48 pm

Losal Samten wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:22 pm
Sennin wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:07 pm
Thank you. I was unaware of the Nyingma commentary.
Paltrul's is mostly a slightly edited down version of Tsongkhapa's, from what I recall.
Yes, for the most part. Tsongkhapa's commentary is quite representative of the Sakya tradition coming from Yag ston, who was the pre-eminant commentator on this text in Tibet. His commentary is in eight volumes.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Post by pael » Wed May 23, 2018 9:21 am

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:41 pm
Sennin wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:30 pm
Hi,

I'm interested in the most influential sutras and commentaries of the Prajñāpāramitā teachings. I am leaning towards studying the Abhisamayalamkara.
https://www.amazon.com/Gone-Beyond-Praj ... XWENT518EW


Also I am interested in any resources you would recommend.

Thanks
Best to get Gareth Sparham's 4 volume translation of Vimuktisena and Haribhadra's commentaries. No point in studying later Tibetan systems of this until one has studied that. Also, among Tibetan commentaries available in English, Tsongkhapa's is probably the best in terms of clarity of the translation. It is also translated by Spareham.

https://www.amazon.com/Abhisamayalamkar ... 7YVDNCMV4P
I ordered this. I don't understand it. Is it easier for native English speakers? Is Golden Garland of Eloquence easier? How to get enough language skills?
May all beings be free from suffering and causes of suffering

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Post by Vasana » Wed May 23, 2018 9:52 am

A Preliminary to the Explanation of the Prajñāpāramitā –
Founders of Traditions, Explanatory Sūtras, Ways of Commenting, etc. by Dzogchen Khenpo Tsöndrü

http://www.lotsawahouse.org/tibetan-mas ... liminaries

http://www.lotsawahouse.org/topics/prajnaparamita/
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Re: Prajñāpāramitā and it's most influential commentaries.

Post by PSM » Wed May 23, 2018 11:38 am

Not certain if it's what you are looking for, but "Center of the Sunlit Sky" by Brunnholzl is an amazing book.
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Post by Karma Dondrup Tashi » Wed May 23, 2018 5:02 pm

I thought it said that Dignaga wrote Vanquishing Ham.

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Post by Sennin » Thu May 24, 2018 12:12 am

pael wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 9:21 am
Malcolm wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:41 pm
Sennin wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:30 pm
Hi,

I'm interested in the most influential sutras and commentaries of the Prajñāpāramitā teachings. I am leaning towards studying the Abhisamayalamkara.
https://www.amazon.com/Gone-Beyond-Praj ... XWENT518EW


Also I am interested in any resources you would recommend.

Thanks
Best to get Gareth Sparham's 4 volume translation of Vimuktisena and Haribhadra's commentaries. No point in studying later Tibetan systems of this until one has studied that. Also, among Tibetan commentaries available in English, Tsongkhapa's is probably the best in terms of clarity of the translation. It is also translated by Spareham.

https://www.amazon.com/Abhisamayalamkar ... 7YVDNCMV4P
I ordered this. I don't understand it. Is it easier for native English speakers? Is Golden Garland of Eloquence easier? How to get enough language skills?
I haven't finished it yet, even so after previewing the later commentaries I still prefer this one.
Namo Guru Bhyaḥ

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Post by Bristollad » Thu May 24, 2018 12:45 am

UMA-Tibet has some material for studying the Abhisamayalamkara:
http://www.uma-tibet.org/index-2.html#

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Re: Prajñāpāramitā and it's most influential commentaries.

Post by Marc » Thu May 24, 2018 9:38 am

pael wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 9:21 am
I ordered this. I don't understand it. Is it easier for native English speakers? Is Golden Garland of Eloquence easier? How to get enough language skills?
Hi Pael,  
Even for a native english speaker such a text would be impossible to understand without proper familiarity with "Dharma Scholastic Jargon".  
If this is your case, you may want to spend some time studying Mipham's Gateway To Knowledge first, or you dive directly in Vasubhandu's Abhidharmakośa.
Cheers
M

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