Some teachers who are widely recognised as the real thing, have 'greasy lips from eating meat'...HHDL for example.TharpaChodron wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:33 amI was really talking about false gurus not being above reproach, as opposed to genuine lamas. Patrul Rinpoche talks about all the fake lamas in Tibet, the ones with greasy lips from eating meat and such.Thomas Amundsen wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:17 pmAssuming you have samaya with a teacher, how could you do this without damaging or breaking that samaya?Josef wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:25 pm
We often make the assumption that upaya and pure view etc is limited to one side of the teacher student coin.
There may be times when the circumstances of wisdom and method require unorthodox behavior from both the teacher and or the student.
It's about the individual relationships and circumstances.
As for breaking samaya with ones teacher, yeah, I think criticizing your guru after already making commitments and examining them and finding them to be not false teachers, that is a no-no.
But in our wonderful practice, we do believe in examining a teacher for a while and not merely accepting someone with a title or fan base as a great Lama. sorry I'm beating a dead horse with this old topic.
And some impeccably vegetarian teachers appear to be phoney baloneys. I can think of one well known western 'Geshe' for example.