The Four Kinds of Aid

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The Four Kinds of Aid

Post by Grigoris » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:18 pm

In the Abhidharmakosa by Vasubandhu he mentions The Four Kinds of Aid (Cturbhihsamgrahavastubhih):

1. Dana (generosity)
2. Peyyavajja (agreeable speech)
3. Atthacariya (altruistic service)
4. Samanattata (sameness)

What does "sameness" entail?
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Re: The Four Kinds of Aid

Post by Kunga Lhadzom » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:32 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:18 pm
What does "sameness" entail?
I'm not going to cheat and look it up first....my first thought was to not have "partiality"....everyone should be looked upon as the same , none better or worse than another....everyone is equal.

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Re: The Four Kinds of Aid

Post by dzogchungpa » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:57 pm

You appear to be thinking of this:
https://books.google.com/books?id=Rr0qD ... +of+aid%22

That is from (a translation of) a translation of the Abhidharmasamuccaya by Walpola Rahula and the terms he gives there are in Pali, which I guess is not surprising since he was a Theravadin. In Sanskrit the term you are asking about is 'samānārthatā'. The Princeton Dictionary of Buddhism defines it as follows:
In Sanskrit, “consistency”; viz., acting in accordance with one’s own teachings, or demonstrating consistency between one’s words and deeds.

Here is the entry for 'saṃgrahavastu':
In Sanskrit, translated variously as “grounds for assembling,” “means of conversion,” or “articles of sympathy”; in the Mahayana sutras, these are four methods by which bodhisattvas attract and retain students. The four are: (1) generosity (DĀNA), (2) kind words (priyavādita), (3) helpfulness, viz., teaching others to fulfill their aims (arthacaryā), and (4) acting in accordance with one’s own teachings, viz., consistency between words and deeds, or perhaps even the “common good” (SAMĀNĀRTHATĀ). There is an extensive description of these four qualities in the sixteenth chapter of the MAHĀYĀNASŪTRĀLAṂKĀRA , an important Mahāyāna ŚĀSTRA said to have been presented to ASAṄGA by the bodhisattva MAITREYA in the TUṢITA heaven (see also MAITREYANĀTHA ).
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Re: The Four Kinds of Aid

Post by javier.espinoza.t » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:00 am

Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:32 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:18 pm
What does "sameness" entail?
I'm not going to cheat and look it up first....my first thought was to not have "partiality"....everyone should be looked upon as the same , none better or worse than another....everyone is equal.

:shrug:
i got more or less the same: equanimity.

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Re: The Four Kinds of Aid

Post by PeterC » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:25 am

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:00 am
Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:32 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:18 pm
What does "sameness" entail?
I'm not going to cheat and look it up first....my first thought was to not have "partiality"....everyone should be looked upon as the same , none better or worse than another....everyone is equal.

:shrug:
i got more or less the same: equanimity.
That word is usually used to translate upekkha/upeksa

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Re: The Four Kinds of Aid

Post by Grigoris » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:52 am

dzogchungpa wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:57 pm
You appear to be thinking of this:
https://books.google.com/books?id=Rr0qD ... +of+aid%22

That is from (a translation of) a translation of the Abhidharmasamuccaya by Walpola Rahula and the terms he gives there are in Pali, which I guess is not surprising since he was a Theravadin. In Sanskrit the term you are asking about is 'samānārthatā'. The Princeton Dictionary of Buddhism defines it as follows:
In Sanskrit, “consistency”; viz., acting in accordance with one’s own teachings, or demonstrating consistency between one’s words and deeds.

Here is the entry for 'saṃgrahavastu':
In Sanskrit, translated variously as “grounds for assembling,” “means of conversion,” or “articles of sympathy”; in the Mahayana sutras, these are four methods by which bodhisattvas attract and retain students. The four are: (1) generosity (DĀNA), (2) kind words (priyavādita), (3) helpfulness, viz., teaching others to fulfill their aims (arthacaryā), and (4) acting in accordance with one’s own teachings, viz., consistency between words and deeds, or perhaps even the “common good” (SAMĀNĀRTHATĀ). There is an extensive description of these four qualities in the sixteenth chapter of the MAHĀYĀNASŪTRĀLAṂKĀRA , an important Mahāyāna ŚĀSTRA said to have been presented to ASAṄGA by the bodhisattva MAITREYA in the TUṢITA heaven (see also MAITREYANĀTHA ).
Thank you! :bow:
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Re: The Four Kinds of Aid

Post by weitsicht » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:03 am

dzogchungpa wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:57 pm
acting in accordance with one’s own teachings,
For the dzogchen view that's a hell of a job.

Interesting though to see that it is some Kind of Aid in itself already.
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