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Nechung Kuten Recognizes Yeye Omileye

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Re: Nechung Kuten Recognizes Yeye Omileye

Post by Malcolm » Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:19 am

dzogchungpa wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:03 pm
This is interesting:
https://www.vajrayanaworld.com/long-bit ... ye-omileye
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Re: Nechung Kuten Recognizes Yeye Omileye

Post by dzogchungpa » Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:01 am

Malcolm wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:19 am
dzogchungpa wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:03 pm
This is interesting:
https://www.vajrayanaworld.com/long-bit ... ye-omileye
It is impossible for a human being to be a sku rten for a buddha. Only worldly deities manifest through oracles.

Duly noted.
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Post by Malcolm » Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:12 am

dzogchungpa wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:01 am
Malcolm wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:19 am
dzogchungpa wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:03 pm
This is interesting:
https://www.vajrayanaworld.com/long-bit ... ye-omileye
It is impossible for a human being to be a sku rten for a buddha. Only worldly deities manifest through oracles.

Duly noted.

If you doubt me, take it up with HHDL who himself has made this observation many times in the course of speaking of a certain protector. Also, the Nechumg Oracle himself is not a Tulku, not is Nechumg a transcendent deity.
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-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

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Post by dzogchungpa » Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:28 am

Malcolm wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:12 am
dzogchungpa wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:01 am
Malcolm wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:19 am


It is impossible for a human being to be a sku rten for a buddha. Only worldly deities manifest through oracles.

Duly noted.

If you doubt me, take it up with HHDL who himself has made this observation many times in the course of speaking of a certain protector. Also, the Nechumg Oracle himself is not a Tulku, not is Nechumg a transcendent deity.

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Post by Kunga Lhadzom » Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:14 am

A very interesting story....

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Post by PeterC » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:13 am

Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
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A very interesting story....

http://www.yeyeosun.com
So she describes herself as an emanation of a Buddha *and* an oracle, rather than an oracle *for* a Buddha.

But William of Occam would still think that what she’s claiming is complete nonsense.

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PeterC wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:13 am
he describes herself as an emanation of a Buddha *and* an oracle, rather than an oracle *for* a Buddha.
It say's here that :
Venerable Yeye Omileye was recognized as living Oracle and emanation of Mamaki, Tibetan Water Goddess/Water Female Buddha.

So she was recognized by the Oracle himself ?

It was a ceremony prepared and officiated by Nechung Kuten La, Medium for the State Oracle of Tibet, who shared with all present the fascinating tale of the adventures he had to go on to make the ceremony happen – including his travels to Mongolia for the Mamaki crown, trip to Nepal after a 25 year absence to bring back the Melong (oracle) mirror and he even found time to personally put the precious pearls on himself.
The elaborate recognition ceremony took place in Dharamsala India. It’s historicness was emphasized by Kuten La, who explained to those present that Mamaki, had not manifested before in living memory. He also explained the Tibetan Water Mother/Buddha and Osun the Yoruba Water Mother whom Venerable Yeye Omileye carries an ancient title for – are one Water Goddess just different cultures.
Venerable Yeye Omileye had no idea whom this Oracle was, much less how to find him. Yet she reveals that a series of miraculous events led her to him, and him inviting her to Dharamsala India to share her visions with him. This story is loaded with synchronicity, for Kuten La revealed to Yeye Omileye, two days before she arrived in Dharamsala the Nechung Oracle, whom he is a medium for, “shared the same visions, with the same level of intensity that made you come to India.” After that the two stayed in touch.
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Post by dzogchungpa » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:57 am

There are some pictures of the ceremony here:
http://www.yeyeosun.com/photo-gallery/
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Re: Nechung Kuten Recognizes Yeye Omileye

Post by Kaung » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:16 am

Do people get recognized for being emanations of buddhas? :thinking:Anyways ku ten for an enlightened being seems far off.

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Post by PeterC » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:27 am

Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:49 am
PeterC wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:13 am
he describes herself as an emanation of a Buddha *and* an oracle, rather than an oracle *for* a Buddha.
It say's here that :
Venerable Yeye Omileye was recognized as living Oracle and emanation of Mamaki, Tibetan Water Goddess/Water Female Buddha.

So she was recognized by the Oracle himself ?

It was a ceremony prepared and officiated by Nechung Kuten La, Medium for the State Oracle of Tibet, who shared with all present the fascinating tale of the adventures he had to go on to make the ceremony happen – including his travels to Mongolia for the Mamaki crown, trip to Nepal after a 25 year absence to bring back the Melong (oracle) mirror and he even found time to personally put the precious pearls on himself.
The elaborate recognition ceremony took place in Dharamsala India. It’s historicness was emphasized by Kuten La, who explained to those present that Mamaki, had not manifested before in living memory. He also explained the Tibetan Water Mother/Buddha and Osun the Yoruba Water Mother whom Venerable Yeye Omileye carries an ancient title for – are one Water Goddess just different cultures.
Venerable Yeye Omileye had no idea whom this Oracle was, much less how to find him. Yet she reveals that a series of miraculous events led her to him, and him inviting her to Dharamsala India to share her visions with him. This story is loaded with synchronicity, for Kuten La revealed to Yeye Omileye, two days before she arrived in Dharamsala the Nechung Oracle, whom he is a medium for, “shared the same visions, with the same level of intensity that made you come to India.” After that the two stayed in touch.

I’m still filing in the same category as “Steven Seagal, Tulku”. This stuff is indistinguishable from cosplay

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Post by Kunga Lhadzom » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:29 am

Their work has been recognized by the united Nations and recently by His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Venerable Thupten Ndodup (Tibetan State Medium for the Nechung Oracle) – whom they received personal audience, blessings and initiation from.

http://omsanctuary.org/events/osun-beau ... 016-09-25/
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Post by Kunga Lhadzom » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:45 am

Yeye Osun went to Dharamsala India to Share Urgent Visions on the Condition of our Planet with Venerable Thupten Ngodup, The Tibean State Oracle:

"Delivering the Message to the The Tibetan State Oracle I received through Osun in trance. I shared the following with Venerable Thupten Ngodup (The Tibetan Oracle)."

Osun (The Mother) said:

"Humanity are not listening to her and the ancestors. Humanity continues to mistreat the Earth. Osun further said that there was a great suffering to come bigger than anyone has ever experienced, she was dying, the earth was dying and humanity would die with her. Osun said that I must take this message to someone she called The Oracle. When my husband, who was managing the trance enquired who was The Oracle. She said it was The Oracle of the Tibetan People. She said he would know what to do. I explained to The Tibetan Oracle that our priest in Africa did a divination on the message and said the Ifa Oracle said that this trip is urgent and I must go. The Ifa Oracle explained that Osun’s message was one from the ancestors and they were angry with human’s who were acting wrongly towards the Earth. That it was the ancestors who would send natural disasters to the land in the form of huge natural disasters. This would be the great suffering. The ancestors said, the suffering will be felt especially by those who really had the capacity to help our earth and really did not. Our priest further explained that we must start learning from the those ancestors who treated the earth in a sacred manner. "

The Tibetan Oracle’s Response the Message – Honor the Four Elemental Mothers:

Venerable Thupten Ngodup – The Tibetan Oracle explained:

"The Nechung Oracle whom he manifest, delivered the exact message as Osun had through me, with the same level of force and urgency as Osu. The Nechung Oracle also said there is a Great Suffering coming to the Earth in the form of huge tsunamis and earthquakes. The Nechung Oracle said this is because we are polluting the Four Elemental Mothers. The Four Elemental Mothers are very angry. The Nechung Oracle said that there is an answer to diminishing this Great Suffering to come and that was to begin urgent propitiating of the Four Elemental Mothers"

Recording of Free Teleconference Available – Please spread this urgent message and visions amongst your spiritual circles. If you want further information please e-mail omileye@yeyeosun.com

The Tibetan Oracle says – There is Hope

"In our third meeting I asked Venerable Thupten Ngodup if we still have hope as a humanity? Or are we definitly going extinct? He gave me a long soft look and said, “we still have hope, as long as each person opens their heart to compassion.”"

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Post by Norwegian » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:57 am

Just to echo an older discussion on the topic of oracles, JKhedrup, who spent some time at Sera Je:
JKhedrup wrote:I just checked with Geshe Sonam now to confirm what I have relayed here is accurate. He said every lama he has heard teach on this topic has stated that fully enlightened Buddhas cannot manifest through oracles, and says that there is no precedent that they can in any of the canonical scriptures.

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Post by Kunga Lhadzom » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:11 am

Well...what does all this actually mean then ???

https://www.generosity.com/community-fu ... y-possible


This is a historical event where it is the first time there has been a Mamaki Emanation for our life time. Also the first time a woman of African descent has received this type of recognition. Above all There are also two great Water Mother energies joining together as one. Both Mothers are from seemingly different cultures: Osun is from Nigerian Ifa tradition and Mamaki from Tibetan Buddhism. Yet, both are seen as the exact same Mother Energy in the eyes of Kuten La - Tibetan State Oracle.
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Post by Kunga Lhadzom » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:50 am

Omileye Achikeobi-Lewis added 2 new photos.
August 15, 2016 ·
Wow got home from work to a nice surprise - Blessed Prayer Water from Kuten La-Tibetan Oracle's Nechung Monastery. Accompanying water was a big bag of blessed prayer bracelets. Thank you Passang Dorjee for arranging this. Along with it arrived lots more packages of water. There are now 300 waters from all over the world, ready for joining on Wednesday, for August 27th Four Elemental Mother Ceremony (and other dates).
Thank you for all those who have sent water, so many beautiful cards and blessings. From the bottles of waters sent, we have 300 sacred river and waterways flowing in my prayer room:
Osun Sacred River Water from Osun Sacred River Festival (Nigeria) - Yeye Omileye Achikeobi-Lewis
Blessed prayer water (India) - gifted from Kuten La - Tibetan Oracle's Nechung Monastery
Ganga Water - Gifted from Steve Nelson (may his spirit smile on this)
Japenese sacred waters and Amazon waters - Kazumi
Calling All Nations Waters (world wide locations)- Darlene, CSS
Mount Mitchell (North Carolina, US) and world combination waters- Yona Frenchawk
Serpent Mound Water (Ohio, US) -
Sun Mountain (Pike Peak) (Colorado, US) - Jennifer Hopper
sacred lava cave of Big Island Hawai water-Dawn Ferguson
Hickory Nut Creek (US) - Jane Lawson
Combination waters (US/Worldwide) - Mare Cromwell
Waters from 150 locations - Dawn Ferguson
Lake Manas sarovar (Tibet) - Anthe Willow Kelly
Crater Lake (Oregon, US) - Sharon Ledbetter
Arctic Ice Water (Canada) - Reverend Carmen Lacey
Crimson Lake Water (Canada) - Sonja Marcinek-Bieri
Rhine Water (Netherlends), Elisabeth Meer
Green Tara Sand Mandala (Atlanta, US) - Angela Bennett
Mallard Lake (Charlotte, US) - Claudia Pureco
Black Mountain(US) - Gail Bromer
Nusta Flat Greek (US) Marna Robin Youngblood
World Wide waters gifted from 23 women and blessed by 40 more - sent by Eleni Nicholas Deitz
Colombia River (Anita Hyatt)
Sacred waters- Lori Chelini McDaniels
Angela Bennett - Green Tara Sand Mandala
Wendy Lynn Gardner and Tika Vales Caldwell-Water from Medina Malta, Kumba Mela India, Malaga Spain, Belguim, Delphi Greece, Norway, France
Valerie Hausmann - Ganga River, India
Nicoletta Argyropoulos - Greece
RaMa - Chalice Well
David Metz- waters from Mount Mitchell
Shelli Stanback - waters from Mississippi Head Jennifer Waterstar Hensiek
Heidi Fiscus - Waters from Roaring Falls
Shaea Psaila - Waters from Yarra River Australia
Viciki, Donna and their mother - water from Tennessee
Lisa Wilkerson Sterling - waters from across America and world including New Mexico, Pugget Sound, Boise River, Canada, and Mexico
Sister from Scotland - waters from Loch Shiel Scotland
Tina Schwickert - waters from Ganga, Lourdes and Mount Shasta
(Photo: Blessed Prayer waters and blessed prayer bracelets from Kuten La-Tibetan Oracle's Nechung Monastery India, and package it arrived in. Thank you Passang Dorjee for all your efforts to make this happen.)
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Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:11 am
Well...what does all this actually mean then ???

https://www.generosity.com/community-fu ... y-possible


This is a historical event where it is the first time there has been a Mamaki Emanation for our life time. Also the first time a woman of African descent has received this type of recognition. Above all There are also two great Water Mother energies joining together as one. Both Mothers are from seemingly different cultures: Osun is from Nigerian Ifa tradition and Mamaki from Tibetan Buddhism. Yet, both are seen as the exact same Mother Energy in the eyes of Kuten La - Tibetan State Oracle.
They are high on weed? :rolleye:

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Post by Mantrik » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:23 am

Is the source of this story legit herself? :

''Lama Yeshe Dechen Wangmo became a lineage holder of The Dakini Heart Essence (mkha 'gro thug thig), a treasure teaching of His Holiness Dudjom Rinpoche, when Repkong Lama Tharchin Tsedrup Rinpoche enthroned her in 1992.

Based on thirty-eight years of vajrayana study and practice in Canada and the United States, her knowledge is informed by personal retreats, competence in literary Tibetan, and personal guidance from the 16th Karmapa, Kalu Rinpoche, His Holiness Dudjom Rinpoche, Dungse Thinley Norbu Rinpoche and Lama Tsedrup Tharchin Rinpoche.''

It seems odd that someone so well qualified and experienced would make such a basic error.
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Post by Sherab » Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:33 am

Norwegian wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:57 am
Just to echo an older discussion on the topic of oracles, JKhedrup, who spent some time at Sera Je:
JKhedrup wrote:I just checked with Geshe Sonam now to confirm what I have relayed here is accurate. He said every lama he has heard teach on this topic has stated that fully enlightened Buddhas cannot manifest through oracles, and says that there is no precedent that they can in any of the canonical scriptures.
There is a huge difference between manifesting THROUGH oracles and manifesting AS AN oracle. A Buddha can manifest as or emanate anything. Therefore, there is no reason why a Buddha cannot manifest or emanate an oracle.

As to "fully enlightened Buddhas CANNOT manifest through oracles", I think this makes no sense. I think a Buddha can do that if he/she wants to but that would be unskillful and unnecessary. Unskillful because it would create a precedence for any medium to claim that he/she is channeling a Buddha (I actually met a medium who claimed to be channeling Buddha Amitabha) and unnecessary because a Buddha can manifest as anything, so he/she can manifest as an oracle to deliver a message instead of going through an oracle to deliver a message.

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Re: Nechung Kuten Recognizes Yeye Omileye

Post by PeterC » Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:15 pm

liuzg150181 wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:50 am
Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:11 am
Well...what does all this actually mean then ???

https://www.generosity.com/community-fu ... y-possible


This is a historical event where it is the first time there has been a Mamaki Emanation for our life time. Also the first time a woman of African descent has received this type of recognition. Above all There are also two great Water Mother energies joining together as one. Both Mothers are from seemingly different cultures: Osun is from Nigerian Ifa tradition and Mamaki from Tibetan Buddhism. Yet, both are seen as the exact same Mother Energy in the eyes of Kuten La - Tibetan State Oracle.
They are high on weed? :rolleye:
It doesn’t really have to mean anything

If their great revelation was that the earth faces a man-made environmental apocalypse then they need to do a little better, that level of insight is available to anyone who can read a newspaper

As to whether one should spend time and effort figuring out the legitimacy of a practitioner of ersatz pan-African spirituality as an oracle for a Dharma-affiliated spirit...that falls solidly into the “life’s too short” category

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