dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:50 pm
Meta-discussion much? Friend, almost everything remotely interesting provokes criticism.
Most of that which is "interesting" is not Dharma.
dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:50 pm
Meta-discussion much? Friend, almost everything remotely interesting provokes criticism.
This is why talk of reform of sacrificial practices is often futile. For example, the only way a Mongolian shaman will abandon ripping apart live animals, making the offerings and then feasting on the throbbing guts is if their 'ongod' spirit tells them it is OK and they will accept other offerings.
Malcolm wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:45 pmNo, dear. Spirits like that are only interested in mortals as servants, not as advisors.Kunga Lhadzom wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:41 pmCan't they just have an intelligent conversation ?
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Malcolm wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:59 pmdzogchungpa wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:50 pm
Meta-discussion much? Friend, almost everything remotely interesting provokes criticism.
Most of that which is "interesting" is not Dharma.
That would require her to take refuge in the Buddha, Dharma, and Sangha, of which I have seen no evidence.Kunga Lhadzom wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:04 pmMalcolm wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:45 pmNo, dear. Spirits like that are only interested in mortals as servants, not as advisors.Kunga Lhadzom wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:41 pm
Can't they just have an intelligent conversation ?
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Well....maybe Yeye should renounce Osun, if Osun still wants bloodthirsty ritual sacrifice. ...
And just stick with Buddha.....who was against ritual sacrifice. ....
I agree although we don't have conclusive evidence that she's doing sacrificial offerings (ebos). And since she is not claiming the title of Iyanifa....well I would have to speculate that she's perfoming a type of "Misa Espiritual" and from the little that i know these don't involve animal sacrifice...in fact that's what the more 'evolved' houses are doing.Kunga Lhadzom wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:04 pm
Well....maybe Yeye should renounce Osun, if Osun still wants bloodthirsty ritual sacrifice. ...
And just stick with Buddha.....who was against ritual sacrifice. ....
Perfect.Sennin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:46 pm
Mukhagama Commentary by Master Vitapada:
- There is no transgression [in seeking to become] superior to the gods;
bodhisattvas are superior to them,
buddhas are superior [to bodhisattvas],
and the great Vajradhara who has the seven unions
is superior [to buddhas].
dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:33 pm
Says the bus, lol. I was, and am, legitimately interested in this story.
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Pink Oshun is the Feminist Goddess in me that challenges patriarchy from the standpoint that tracing our roots to the ancestry of our blood line is an essential part of healing the traumatic injuries that white supremacy requires that we, black and white, honor our African roots. The journey of the Pink Oshun within is about bringing forth the healer within me to assist our community towards healing from our oppression.
She leads us on a modern eclectic path with the disciplines of prayer, meditation, and the creative arts. She guides me in building an intentional community that is sustainable and a diverseAfrican culture centric place for you. If you are interested in finding out who you are, discovering the Ancestral African bloodline within and beginning the journey of healing and self discovery; then Pink Oshun may very well resignate with you as well.
Sennin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:46 pmI agree although we don't have conclusive evidence that she's doing sacrificial offerings (ebos). And since she is not claiming the title of Iyanifa....well I would have to speculate that she's perfoming a type of "Misa Espiritual" and from the little that i know these don't involve animal sacrifice...in fact that's what the more 'evolved' houses are doing.Kunga Lhadzom wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:04 pm
Well....maybe Yeye should renounce Osun, if Osun still wants bloodthirsty ritual sacrifice. ...
And just stick with Buddha.....who was against ritual sacrifice. ....
In the end i'm not an advocate for this woman and have no interest in mundane spirits whether terrestrial, sub-lunar or celestial...
Buddhas are superior in every regard.
Mukhagama Commentary by Master Vitapada:
- There is no transgression [in seeking to become] superior to the gods;
bodhisattvas are superior to them,
buddhas are superior [to bodhisattvas],
and the great Vajradhara who has the seven unions
is superior [to buddhas].
Generally ignorant? No. She is clearly educated. Ignorant of Tibetan Buddhism? Absolutely.Kunga Lhadzom wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:52 pm
The only thing that got me so wound up in this discussion was because people were acting so negatively, and thinking she was a scammer/fraud/ignorant.....when there wasn't empirical proof....
Yes...making fun of her understanding of TB. I thought...well, she's new to it..what do you expect ? I am ignorant of LOTS of stuff in TB. (duh)
Malcolm wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:37 pmdzogchungpa wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:33 pm
Says the bus, lol. I was, and am, legitimately interested in this story.
Maybe this will interest you as well:
I present: Pink Oshun!!!
http://www.oshuntalks.com/maat-tantraPINK OSHUN is the 21st Century Priestess in me. She is the modern woman, having the ability to both plug in and out of the matrix. As a business woman, I have the opportunity and freedom to follow my passions, while pursuing my spiritual journey and funding projects designed around community building and healing.
Pink Oshun is the Feminist Goddess in me that challenges patriarchy from the standpoint that tracing our roots to the ancestry of our blood line is an essential part of healing the traumatic injuries that white supremacy requires that we, black and white, honor our African roots. The journey of the Pink Oshun within is about bringing forth the healer within me to assist our community towards healing from our oppression.
She leads us on a modern eclectic path with the disciplines of prayer, meditation, and the creative arts. She guides me in building an intentional community that is sustainable and a diverseAfrican culture centric place for you. If you are interested in finding out who you are, discovering the Ancestral African bloodline within and beginning the journey of healing and self discovery; then Pink Oshun may very well resignate with you as well.
Wishing you well on your afrocentric tantric journey...
This speaks volumes to the black culture especially....we've ALL been slaves on this earth, but you'd think by now the Black African people would see how they are being enslaved by their own gods. (This is a big generalization btw) I'm just referring to the blood ritual sacrificing sprits/gods
May I suggest that you examine *why* it was/is so important to you that what this person said was true. That might be more fruitful than continuing to flog this particular very dead horse.Kunga Lhadzom wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:52 pm
True, we don't know if she is into the blood sacrificing rituals....but if this is her religion....it's all connected...
The only thing that got me so wound up in this discussion was because people were acting so negatively, and thinking she was a scammer/fraud/ignorant.....when there wasn't empirical proof....and my heart went out to her in her defense....but being i am so ignorant...i had no idea about the religion Osun, that she was a part of. Now i see what others saw........that a blood sacrificing Goddess, can't co-exist in a Buddha body........
I was just happy that a black woman became an emanation of a Tibetan Buddhist Goddess...and that it was a historical event....
and i wanted it to be the real thing......
Yes. It means you sit down and do your homework. You can choose to walk in the dark if you want to, but you're not gonna get anywhere, except be even more lost.
Because i thought it was wonderful that finally some historical event took place in this day & age, when all we ever do is read about things that happened to people in the past. Also i thought it was really special because she was not Tibetan or white...but of another culture & race....
I think we have actual bodhisattvas in the world that are continuing to work for the benefit of being without a lot of fanfare.Kunga Lhadzom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:37 amBecause i thought it was wonderful that finally some historical event took place in this day & age, when all we ever do is read about things that happened to people in the past. Also i thought it was really special because she was not Tibetan or white...but of another culture & race....
Also because this world is falling apart and we need all the help we can get.
Of course ! But as humans, we love to fanfare others for their accomplishments....that is also bodhisattvic ....to be happy for others...right ?
Yes, rejoicing in the virtue and accomplishments of others is a powerful thing indeed.Kunga Lhadzom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:19 amOf course ! But as humans, we love to fanfare others for their accomplishments....that is also bodhisattvic ....to be happy for others...right ?
People make mistakes....they can be forgiven. Did the Nechung Oracle make a mistake in this recognition of her as Mamaki ?