The bardo and akanistha

[jhanapeacock]

Someone said that the Bardo is just another name for akanistha? is this true? i always thought that the Bardo was the transmigrassion realm and that akanistha was another different heavenly realm.

[Grigoris]

Someone said that the Bardo is just another name for akanistha? is this true? i always thought that the Bardo was the transmigrassion realm and that akanistha was another different heavenly realm.

Your understanding is largely correct.

In reality there is not one bardo state but four or six states.

Akanishta is a Pure Land, but can be seen as a intermediate state, since one is not immediately liberated upon arrival there, but engages in practice to achieve enlightenment.

[Malcolm]

Someone said that the Bardo is just another name for akanistha? is this true? i always thought that the Bardo was the transmigrassion realm and that akanistha was another different heavenly realm.

No, this is not even remotely true.

However, the bardo is not a "transgression realm." It is just the space between lives.

Also, the doctrine around Akaniṣṭha is complicated since it is understood differently in sūtra, tantra, and the Great Perfection.

Greg: the four or six bardos is a doctrine exclusive to Dzogchen Man ngag sde (that is, it is not found in sems sde or klong sde, or anu or mahāyoga). In the new schools, there is only one bardo.

[Grigoris]

Greg: the four or six bardos is a doctrine exclusive to Dzogchen Man ngag sde (that is, it is not found in sems sde or klong sde, or anu or mahāyoga). In the new schools, there is only one bardo.

Fair enough. The OP did not post in a specific tradition's sub-forum so...

I was also referring to the use of the term bardo in it's literal sense, which may have been the context in which it was used in reference to Akanishta.

[jhanapeacock]

Thanks, that answer my question.

[chimechodra]

Also, the doctrine around Akaniṣṭha is complicated since it is understood differently in sūtra, tantra, and the Great Perfection.

Thank you for the illuminating knowledge as always, Malcolm. Could you expand on how Akaniṣṭha is understood in the Great Perfection? Thank you!

[Malcolm]

Also, the doctrine around Akaniṣṭha is complicated since it is understood differently in sūtra, tantra, and the Great Perfection.

Thank you for the illuminating knowledge as always, Malcolm. Could you expand on how Akaniṣṭha is understood in the Great Perfection? Thank you!

the dharmadhātu.

[Kris]

Someone said that the Bardo is just another name for akanistha? is this true? i always thought that the Bardo was the transmigrassion realm and that akanistha was another different heavenly realm.

No, this is not even remotely true.

However, the bardo is not a "transgression realm." It is just the space between lives.

Also, the doctrine around Akaniṣṭha is complicated since it is understood differently in sūtra, tantra, and the Great Perfection.

Greg: the four or six bardos is a doctrine exclusive to Dzogchen Man ngag sde (that is, it is not found in sems sde or klong sde, or anu or mahāyoga). In the new schools, there is only one bardo.

Interesting. Is there any correlation between the one bardo of the new schools, and any of the bardos in Man ngag sde?

[Malcolm]

Someone said that the Bardo is just another name for akanistha? is this true? i always thought that the Bardo was the transmigrassion realm and that akanistha was another different heavenly realm.

No, this is not even remotely true.

However, the bardo is not a "transgression realm." It is just the space between lives.

Also, the doctrine around Akaniṣṭha is complicated since it is understood differently in sūtra, tantra, and the Great Perfection.

Greg: the four or six bardos is a doctrine exclusive to Dzogchen Man ngag sde (that is, it is not found in sems sde or klong sde, or anu or mahāyoga). In the new schools, there is only one bardo.

Interesting. Is there any correlation between the one bardo of the new schools, and any of the bardos in Man ngag sde?

Yes, bardo of time of death has equivalent as the moment of death, there is no explicit equivalent for bardo of dharmatā, but in general, the bardo is the srid pa'i bardo.

[Kris]

No, this is not even remotely true.

However, the bardo is not a "transgression realm." It is just the space between lives.

Also, the doctrine around Akaniṣṭha is complicated since it is understood differently in sūtra, tantra, and the Great Perfection.

Greg: the four or six bardos is a doctrine exclusive to Dzogchen Man ngag sde (that is, it is not found in sems sde or klong sde, or anu or mahāyoga). In the new schools, there is only one bardo.

Interesting. Is there any correlation between the one bardo of the new schools, and any of the bardos in Man ngag sde?

Yes, bardo of time of death has equivalent as the moment of death, there is no explicit equivalent for bardo of dharmatā, but in general, the bardo is the srid pa'i bardo.

Thanks!