What precisely is being referred to when an initiation is listed as a "ripening" empowerment?
Would this be rendered back into Sanskrit properly as vipāka abhiśeka? The term in Tibetan seems to be smin byed kyi dbang (see attachment ).
By that definition, aren't all initiations considered ripening empowerments, or am i missing something? Are there empowerments that don't ripen as such, but perform some other function?
Incidentally, doesn't this mean that Mindrolling monastery is literally "the Island of Ripening and Liberating" or "the Island of Maturation and Liberation"?
"Ripening" empowerment = ?
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"Ripening" empowerment = ?
"The Sutras, Tantras, and Philosophical Scriptures are great in number. However life is short, and intelligence is limited, so it's hard to cover them completely. You may know a lot, but if you don't put it into practice, it's like dying of thirst on the shore of a great lake. Likewise, a common corpse is found in the bed of a great scholar." ~ Karma Chagme
དྲིན་ཆེན་རྩ་བའི་བླ་མ་སྐྱབས་རྗེ་མགར་ཆེན་ཁྲི་སྤྲུལ་རིན་པོ་ཆེ་ཁྱེད་མཁྱེན་ནོ།།
རྗེ་བཙུན་བླ་མ་མཁས་གྲུབ་ཀརྨ་ཆགས་མེད་མཁྱེན་ནོ། ཀརྨ་པ་མཁྱེན་ནོཿ
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A ripening empowerment is just the complete four empowerments of an abhiṣeka, which mature one's continuum and confer the samaya that protect that maturation. Simpler initiatory rites like permission-rites (rjes gnang, anujñā) or blessing (byin rlabs, adhiṣṭhāna) are not ripening empowerments.Palzang Jangchub wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:15 am What precisely is being referred to when an initiation is listed as a "ripening" empowerment?
Yes, "the Island of ripening [empowerments] and libertating [instructions]".Incidentally, doesn't this mean that Mindrolling monastery is literally "the Island of Ripening and Liberating" or "the Island of Maturation and Liberation"?
R
Re: "Ripening" empowerment = ?
Yes, all empowerments, except maybe "blessing" empowerments, are ripening empowerments. You need the ripening empowerments and the liberating instructions in Vajrayana.Palzang Jangchub wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:15 am What precisely is being referred to when an initiation is listed as a "ripening" empowerment?
Would this be rendered back into Sanskrit properly as vipāka abhiśeka? The term in Tibetan seems to be smin byed kyi dbang (see attachment ).
By that definition, aren't all initiations considered ripening empowerments, or am i missing something? Are there empowerments that don't ripen as such, but perform some other function?
Incidentally, doesn't this mean that Mindrolling monastery is literally "the Island of Ripening and Liberating" or "the Island of Maturation and Liberation"?
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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)
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Re: "Ripening" empowerment = ?
So a shorter length empowerment like a torwang could be a ripening empowerment, yes?
I ask because the particular initiation being called a ripening empowerment on the event schedule was previously given as torwang at another venue and was scheduled for a similar amount of time.
Maybe someone could detail why or why not?
I ask because the particular initiation being called a ripening empowerment on the event schedule was previously given as torwang at another venue and was scheduled for a similar amount of time.
Maybe someone could detail why or why not?
"The Sutras, Tantras, and Philosophical Scriptures are great in number. However life is short, and intelligence is limited, so it's hard to cover them completely. You may know a lot, but if you don't put it into practice, it's like dying of thirst on the shore of a great lake. Likewise, a common corpse is found in the bed of a great scholar." ~ Karma Chagme
དྲིན་ཆེན་རྩ་བའི་བླ་མ་སྐྱབས་རྗེ་མགར་ཆེན་ཁྲི་སྤྲུལ་རིན་པོ་ཆེ་ཁྱེད་མཁྱེན་ནོ།།
རྗེ་བཙུན་བླ་མ་མཁས་གྲུབ་ཀརྨ་ཆགས་མེད་མཁྱེན་ནོ། ཀརྨ་པ་མཁྱེན་ནོཿ
Re: "Ripening" empowerment = ?
I believe so.Palzang Jangchub wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 10:09 am So a shorter length empowerment like a torwang could be a ripening empowerment, yes?
R
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Thank you for your replies, Ratna. I just stumbled upon a quote by Magnus in another thread that settles the issue for me.
Seems I've come full circle (mandala?)...
He was taking the time to correct me for having erroneously translated torwang as "vase empowerment" further up the thread, as can be seen in the original post (just click the little up arrow in the quote).
Seems I've come full circle (mandala?)...
"The Sutras, Tantras, and Philosophical Scriptures are great in number. However life is short, and intelligence is limited, so it's hard to cover them completely. You may know a lot, but if you don't put it into practice, it's like dying of thirst on the shore of a great lake. Likewise, a common corpse is found in the bed of a great scholar." ~ Karma Chagme
དྲིན་ཆེན་རྩ་བའི་བླ་མ་སྐྱབས་རྗེ་མགར་ཆེན་ཁྲི་སྤྲུལ་རིན་པོ་ཆེ་ཁྱེད་མཁྱེན་ནོ།།
རྗེ་བཙུན་བླ་མ་མཁས་གྲུབ་ཀརྨ་ཆགས་མེད་མཁྱེན་ནོ། ཀརྨ་པ་མཁྱེན་ནོཿ
Re: "Ripening" empowerment = ?
Depends on school, but no school considers a jenang a ripening empowerment.Palzang Jangchub wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:15 am What precisely is being referred to when an initiation is listed as a "ripening" empowerment?
Would this be rendered back into Sanskrit properly as vipāka abhiśeka? The term in Tibetan seems to be smin byed kyi dbang (see attachment ).
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By that definition, aren't all initiations considered ripening empowerments, or am i missing something? Are there empowerments that don't ripen as such, but perform some other function?
Incidentally, doesn't this mean that Mindrolling monastery is literally "the Island of Ripening and Liberating" or "the Island of Maturation and Liberation"?