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Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by Tenma » Sat May 19, 2018 7:54 am

Does anyone know of a thangka corresponding with the visualization of the 8 forms of Padmasambhava described in this text:
http://www.lotsawahouse.org/tibetan-mas ... che-lamsel
And which is which? Thanks!

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by lelopa » Sun May 20, 2018 6:29 am

ཨོཾ་ཨཱཿཧཱུྃ་བོ་དྷི་ཙིཏྟ་མ་ཧཱ་སུ་ཁ་ཛྙཱ་ན་དྷཱརྟུ་ཨཱཿ

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by Tenma » Sun May 20, 2018 9:16 am

lelopa wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 6:29 am
maybe it is this one :shrug:

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... mrc&uact=8
Which one would be a blonde, young Padmasambhava as described in the prayer? I am having a hard time finding a thangka for that.

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by heart » Sun May 20, 2018 2:11 pm

Tenma wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 7:54 am
Does anyone know of a thangka corresponding with the visualization of the 8 forms of Padmasambhava described in this text:
http://www.lotsawahouse.org/tibetan-mas ... che-lamsel
And which is which? Thanks!
The prayer correspond with Mandala of Tukdrub Barche Kunsel: http://rywiki.tsadra.org/index.php/Tukd ... hey_Kunsel
The name of each deity is written before the corresponding part in the translation of Lotsawa House, so if you tell me which one you are interested in I can tell you how it looks like.

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by lelopa » Sun May 20, 2018 3:19 pm

Tenma wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 9:16 am
lelopa wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 6:29 am
maybe it is this one :shrug:

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... mrc&uact=8
Which one would be a blonde, young Padmasambhava as described in the prayer? I am having a hard time finding a thangka for that.
the heruka with the two phurbas and the pale hair & green cloak
ཨོཾ་ཨཱཿཧཱུྃ་བོ་དྷི་ཙིཏྟ་མ་ཧཱ་སུ་ཁ་ཛྙཱ་ན་དྷཱརྟུ་ཨཱཿ

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by heart » Sun May 20, 2018 3:49 pm

lelopa wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 3:19 pm
Tenma wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 9:16 am
lelopa wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 6:29 am
maybe it is this one :shrug:

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... mrc&uact=8
Which one would be a blonde, young Padmasambhava as described in the prayer? I am having a hard time finding a thangka for that.
the heruka with the two phurbas and the pale hair & green cloak
Right, Dzam Ling Gyen Chok.

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by Tenma » Sun May 20, 2018 3:59 pm

heart wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 2:11 pm
Tenma wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 7:54 am
Does anyone know of a thangka corresponding with the visualization of the 8 forms of Padmasambhava described in this text:
http://www.lotsawahouse.org/tibetan-mas ... che-lamsel
And which is which? Thanks!
The prayer correspond with Mandala of Tukdrub Barche Kunsel: http://rywiki.tsadra.org/index.php/Tukd ... hey_Kunsel
The name of each deity is written before the corresponding part in the translation of Lotsawa House, so if you tell me which one you are interested in I can tell you how it looks like.

/magnus
Gyalwe Dungdzin, (I think I got Maw(e) Seng(e) as a scholar correctly, not too sure), Kyechok Tsul Zang, Dukyi Shechen, Dzam Ling Gyen Chok(I'm not too sure if thangkas ever blonde hair at all!), (I think I got Pema Jungne correct as the usual Padmasambhava we first see on Google), not too sure what Khyepar Pakpe Rigdzin is, Dzutrul Thuchen(what is the difference from that and other forms? They all seem to bound others to oaths.), Dorje Drakpo Tsal(not too sure if he is a fat man holding a scorpion or a furious black figure with phurbas on a lion or has a phurba appearance), Kalden Drendze, Raksa Totreng(is there really a difference between him and his form as Dzam Ling Gyen Chok?), and Guru Dechen Gyalpo(maybe the Padmasambhava we see usually or something?).

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by Tenma » Sun May 20, 2018 4:02 pm

lelopa wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 3:19 pm
Tenma wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 9:16 am
lelopa wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 6:29 am
maybe it is this one :shrug:

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... mrc&uact=8
Which one would be a blonde, young Padmasambhava as described in the prayer? I am having a hard time finding a thangka for that.
the heruka with the two phurbas and the pale hair & green cloak
The one next to the 5 Medicine Sisters with a "Mahakala" appearance? Because here in the prayer, it gives a more peaceful appearance. Or is it the Blue skinned one to main Padmasambhava's left with a "Bonpo" hat?

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by Grigoris » Sun May 20, 2018 6:10 pm

heart wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 2:11 pm
Tenma wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 7:54 am
Does anyone know of a thangka corresponding with the visualization of the 8 forms of Padmasambhava described in this text:
http://www.lotsawahouse.org/tibetan-mas ... che-lamsel
And which is which? Thanks!
The prayer correspond with Mandala of Tukdrub Barche Kunsel: http://rywiki.tsadra.org/index.php/Tukd ... hey_Kunsel
The name of each deity is written before the corresponding part in the translation of Lotsawa House, so if you tell me which one you are interested in I can tell you how it looks like.

/magnus
I think you need to download the jpeg that has been linked to, label each one of the forms (using some sort of simple "paint" program) and then upload it to here as an attachment.
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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by philji » Sun May 20, 2018 6:51 pm

If you can open this link there are extensive descriptions of the 12 manifestations in Barchey Kunsel.
https://samyeinstitute.org/category/the ... -rinpoche/

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by Tenma » Sun May 20, 2018 7:42 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 6:10 pm
heart wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 2:11 pm
Tenma wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 7:54 am
Does anyone know of a thangka corresponding with the visualization of the 8 forms of Padmasambhava described in this text:
http://www.lotsawahouse.org/tibetan-mas ... che-lamsel
And which is which? Thanks!
The prayer correspond with Mandala of Tukdrub Barche Kunsel: http://rywiki.tsadra.org/index.php/Tukd ... hey_Kunsel
The name of each deity is written before the corresponding part in the translation of Lotsawa House, so if you tell me which one you are interested in I can tell you how it looks like.

/magnus
I think you need to download the jpeg that has been linked to, label each one of the forms (using some sort of simple "paint" program) and then upload it to here as an attachment.
Google drive is more preferable for me.

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by heart » Sun May 20, 2018 7:51 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 6:10 pm
heart wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 2:11 pm
Tenma wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 7:54 am
Does anyone know of a thangka corresponding with the visualization of the 8 forms of Padmasambhava described in this text:
http://www.lotsawahouse.org/tibetan-mas ... che-lamsel
And which is which? Thanks!
The prayer correspond with Mandala of Tukdrub Barche Kunsel: http://rywiki.tsadra.org/index.php/Tukd ... hey_Kunsel
The name of each deity is written before the corresponding part in the translation of Lotsawa House, so if you tell me which one you are interested in I can tell you how it looks like.

/magnus
I think you need to download the jpeg that has been linked to, label each one of the forms (using some sort of simple "paint" program) and then upload it to here as an attachment.
I am not sure how interested the op is. I am quite familiar with this mandala and don't mind sharing information about it.

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by heart » Sun May 20, 2018 7:51 pm

Tenma wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 7:54 am
Does anyone know of a thangka corresponding with the visualization of the 8 forms of Padmasambhava described in this text:
http://www.lotsawahouse.org/tibetan-mas ... che-lamsel
And which is which? Thanks!
It is actually 12 manifestations in this mandala.

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by heart » Sun May 20, 2018 8:44 pm

Image

/magnus
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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by anjali » Sun May 20, 2018 10:01 pm

heart wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 8:44 pm
Image

/magnus
The image didn't display for me. Looking into why, I get a browser security issue with the site the image is on. For others who may also have display problems with the image:
DzamLingGyenChok.png
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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by Tenma » Sun May 20, 2018 11:27 pm

anjali wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 10:01 pm
heart wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 8:44 pm
Image

/magnus
The image didn't display for me. Looking into why, I get a browser security issue with the site the image is on. For others who may also have display problems with the image:

DzamLingGyenChok.png
THAT'S YOUTHFUL AND PEACEFUL??!??!?!?!? :shock:

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by heart » Mon May 21, 2018 4:44 am

anjali wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 10:01 pm
heart wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 8:44 pm
Image

/magnus
The image didn't display for me. Looking into why, I get a browser security issue with the site the image is on. For others who may also have display problems with the image:

DzamLingGyenChok.png
Sorry about that, this should work better.


Image

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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by heart » Mon May 21, 2018 4:46 am

Tenma wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 11:27 pm
THAT'S YOUTHFUL AND PEACEFUL??!??!?!?!? :shock:
Yes, that is the deity.

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by heart » Mon May 21, 2018 5:02 am

Gyalwé Dungdzin,sometimes also standing.

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Mawey Senghe

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Kyéchok Tsul Zang

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Dükyi Shéchen

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by heart » Mon May 21, 2018 5:11 am

Dzam Ling Gyen Chok, you got it above.

Pemajungné

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Khyépar Pakpé Rigdzin

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Dzutrul Thuchen, looks like Dorje Trollo
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