Barche Lamsel Visualization?

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by amanitamusc » Mon May 21, 2018 5:18 am

Quite wonderful! Thank you M.

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by heart » Mon May 21, 2018 5:19 am

Dorje Drakpo Tsal

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Kalden Drenze

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Rakṣa Tötreng

Can't find a good picture but it looks a little like Dorje Drakpo Tsal but dark red, normally in the upper right corner.


Guru Dechen Gyalpo

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by Tenma » Mon May 21, 2018 5:45 am

Thank you very much for these images! But it seems to me that these thangka images are very different from what the prayer describes. For instance, in the case of Dzam Ling Gyen Chok, the prayer states:
སྲིན་པོའི་ཁ་གནོན་མཛད་པའི་ཚེ༔

sinpö khanön dzepé tsé

When overpowering the rakṣasas,

ཁྱེའུ་ཆུང་སྤྲུལ་སྐུའི་ཆ་ལུགས་ཅན༔

khyé'u chung tulkü chaluk chen

You appear as a youth in nirmāṇakāya garb,

ཡ་མཚན་གཟུགས་བཟང་ཁ་དོག་ལེགས༔

yatsen zuk zang khadok lek

Your amazing, beautiful form, with its lovely hue,

ཚེམས་འགྲིགས་དབུ་སྐྲ་སེར་ལ་མཛེས༔

tsem drik utra ser la dzé

Perfect teeth and golden hair, gorgeous

དགུང་ལོ་བཅུ་དྲུག་ལོན་པའི་ཚུལ༔

gunglo chudruk lönpé tsul

Like a youth of sixteen years,

རིན་ཆེན་རྒྱན་ཆ་སྣ་ཚོགས་གསོལ༔

rinchen gyencha natsok sol

Wearing all the jewel ornaments.

ཕྱག་གཡས་འཁར་བའི་ཕུར་པ་བསྣམས༔

chak yé kharwé purpa nam

Your right hand grips a phurba of bronze,

བདུད་དང་སྲིན་པོའི་ཁ་གནོན་མཛད༔

dü dang sinpö khanön dzé

Subjugating māras and rakṣasas.

གཡོན་པས་སེང་ལྡེང་ཕུར་པ་བསྣམས༔

yönpé sengdeng purpa nam

Your left hand holds a phurba of teak,

མོས་པའི་བུ་ལ་སྲུང་སྐྱོབ་མཛད༔

möpé bu la sung kyob dzé

Granting protection to your devoted sons and daughters,

མགུལ་ན་ལྕགས་ཀྱི་ཕུར་པ་བསྣམས༔

gul na chak kyi purpa nam

Around your neck you wear a phurba of iron—

ཡི་དམ་ལྷ་དང་གཉིས་སུ་མེད༔

yidam lha dang nyisumé

You and the yidam deity are insepararble,

གཉིས་མེད་སྤྲུལ་སྐུ་འཛམ་གླིང་རྒྱན༔

nyimé tulku dzamling gyen

O Dzam Ling Gyen Chok, manifestation of non-duality:

And here, this is not quite the case. So the thangka or the prayer?

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by philji » Mon May 21, 2018 12:40 pm

Great images👍

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by Tenma » Mon May 21, 2018 4:14 pm

heart wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 5:19 am
Dorje Drakpo Tsal
...
Kalden Drenze
...
Rakṣa Tötreng

Can't find a good picture but it looks a little like Dorje Drakpo Tsal but dark red, normally in the upper right corner.

Guru Dechen Gyalpo
...
Merci beaucoup! Ça c'est bonne!
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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by heart » Mon May 21, 2018 8:10 pm

Tenma wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 5:45 am
Thank you very much for these images! But it seems to me that these thangka images are very different from what the prayer describes. For instance, in the case of Dzam Ling Gyen Chok, the prayer states:
<snip>
And here, this is not quite the case. So the thangka or the prayer?
Not that thangkas are very reliable in general bu he looks like that in all thangkas I every seen, that includes the thangkas of the lineage masters in this tradition, so I think that is how he look. Of course that might not be the idea you get from the description but that doesn't mean it's wrong. I think they might actually be compatible.

/magnus
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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by Tenma » Mon May 21, 2018 11:53 pm

heart wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 8:10 pm
Tenma wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 5:45 am
Thank you very much for these images! But it seems to me that these thangka images are very different from what the prayer describes. For instance, in the case of Dzam Ling Gyen Chok, the prayer states:
<snip>
And here, this is not quite the case. So the thangka or the prayer?
Not that thangkas are very reliable in general bu he looks like that in all thangkas I every seen, that includes the thangkas of the lineage masters in this tradition, so I think that is how he look. Of course that might not be the idea you get from the description but that doesn't mean it's wrong. I think they might actually be compatible.

/magnus
How is a peaceful smile compatible with being wrathful?

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by heart » Tue May 22, 2018 5:00 am

Tenma wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 11:53 pm
heart wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 8:10 pm
Tenma wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 5:45 am
Thank you very much for these images! But it seems to me that these thangka images are very different from what the prayer describes. For instance, in the case of Dzam Ling Gyen Chok, the prayer states:
<snip>
And here, this is not quite the case. So the thangka or the prayer?
Not that thangkas are very reliable in general bu he looks like that in all thangkas I every seen, that includes the thangkas of the lineage masters in this tradition, so I think that is how he look. Of course that might not be the idea you get from the description but that doesn't mean it's wrong. I think they might actually be compatible.

/magnus
How is a peaceful smile compatible with being wrathful?
There are different kinds of wrathful. Also he is described like this in the various sadhanas of this cycle.

/magnus
"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by heart » Tue May 22, 2018 8:27 pm

Also his mantra is very wrathful.

/magnus
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~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Barche Lamsel Visualization?

Post by jmlee369 » Thu May 24, 2018 2:57 am

Tenma wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 11:53 pm
heart wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 8:10 pm
Tenma wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 5:45 am
Thank you very much for these images! But it seems to me that these thangka images are very different from what the prayer describes. For instance, in the case of Dzam Ling Gyen Chok, the prayer states:
<snip>
And here, this is not quite the case. So the thangka or the prayer?
Not that thangkas are very reliable in general bu he looks like that in all thangkas I every seen, that includes the thangkas of the lineage masters in this tradition, so I think that is how he look. Of course that might not be the idea you get from the description but that doesn't mean it's wrong. I think they might actually be compatible.

/magnus
How is a peaceful smile compatible with being wrathful?
Which line of the prayer mentions a smile?

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