Don't talk nonsense. He didn't tell him not to stick red hot pokers in his eyes either...
I am chilled.The point is, chill.
The point is: Don't use Dharma to justify your afflictions.
Don't talk nonsense. He didn't tell him not to stick red hot pokers in his eyes either...
I am chilled.The point is, chill.
No!dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:14 pmVery good, but may I suggest that you are insufficiently chilled?
Grigoris wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:15 pmNo!dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:14 pmVery good, but may I suggest that you are insufficiently chilled?
Here’s a point from Dzogchen: knowledge is merit. Before one undertakes any profession one must train. I’m also a trial lawyer. I gamble with life. But I trained for years and years. It goes without saying if one wants to be a pro gambler one would have to find a teacher and train (until your eyes bleed).Grigoris wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:21 pm The point is that for a monastic (or anybody) to have the economic/material means to practice they have to accure the cause and conditions for these means. There is no point bitching about not having money when we know very well what the causes and conditions for having money in this (and future) lifetime(s) are: Generosity.
If you limit yourself to a single lifetime view (as Westerners tend to), then all you will end up doing is bitching about the circumstances in this lifetime (as I do continuously). Move the target further back and aim higher.
Everybody’s got a scam.Grigoris wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:55 pmPujaris make a pretty decent living in some places...Crazywisdom wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:39 pm And to be clear no amount of pujas will train you for a job. You have to gain the wisdom of knowledge and experience in worldly affairs. Pujas help will patience and stuff.
Crazywisdom wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:39 pmIt goes without saying if one wants to be a pro gambler one would have to find a teacher and train (until your eyes bleed).
Now my point with this example was IF one uses ones adult mind one can devise solutions that go beyond praying.
Haha yeah. My lama once suggested I open a Tibetan trinket shop. I laughed my ass off.dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:17 pmCrazywisdom wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:39 pmIt goes without saying if one wants to be a pro gambler one would have to find a teacher and train (until your eyes bleed).
Now my point with this example was IF one uses ones adult mind one can devise solutions that go beyond praying.
A zen laundering business might make a good choice for many ngakpas, but you'd have to train until your colors DON'T bleed.
(ducks)
You can try and jive me with Dharma justifications all you like, what I want is ringside seats when you try to jive Yama.
No, it would be awful. It would either be a samaya breaking fest, or every second response would be: "Ask you teacher."Come to think of it wouldn’t it be so cool if there were a forum for vajrayana practitioners to discuss Tantra online? One can only dream.
Dude you’re so judgmental. I must be desperate for human contact to keep coming back here just to be berated day after damn day.Grigoris wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:07 pmYou can try and jive me with Dharma justifications all you like, what I want is ringside seats when you try to jive Yama.No, it would be awful. It would either be a samaya breaking fest, or every second response would be: "Ask you teacher."Come to think of it wouldn’t it be so cool if there were a forum for vajrayana practitioners to discuss Tantra online? One can only dream.
The problem with centrally planned economies, is well, centralized planning. Markets can be regulated but not planned.buddhagirl wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:25 pm Given the mindset required for day-trading, it doesn't seem very compatible with Dharma practice. Actual jobs where you leave home & interact with other humans require positive attitudes & behaviours such as teamwork, a pleasant demeanour, being responsive & non-judgemental when dealing with clients/customers particularly when you're advocating on their behalf.
Whereas daytrading seems based on avarice, pure & simple - even if such endeavours are conducted in the service of one's Dharma practice, surely the seeds of desiring to accumulate wealth would be prominent in one's daily motivation.
It's always amused and horrified me how Westerners, particularly Americans, manage to merge the Dharma into their capitalist worldview. Looking at you, Shambhala and Rigpa!
Roughly a handful of years ago the Dalai Lama reiterated his support for communism as a political system that distributes abundance in a more equitable fashion - people at the Vajradhatu Sun seemed bewildered at this and wrote an editorial, if memory serves, along the lines of "what on earth is the Dalai Lama talking about, we don't get it, do you?"
Berated? Judgemental? All I have said is that gambling does not seem to be considered in a good light in Buddhism. If you identify so closely with what you do, that you consider what I say as a personal affront, well, what can I say?Crazywisdom wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:40 pmDude you’re so judgmental. I must be desperate for human contact to keep coming back here just to be berated day after damn day.
Here’s what I mean. It seems I always have to respond to some shit you say. But you’re right. I just realized I only come here out of boredom. All my troubles begin there. So I’ll just deal with that. Thank you.Grigoris wrote: ↑Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:49 amBerated? Judgemental? All I have said is that gambling does not seem to be considered in a good light in Buddhism. If you identify so closely with what you do, that you consider what I say as a personal affront, well, what can I say?Crazywisdom wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:40 pmDude you’re so judgmental. I must be desperate for human contact to keep coming back here just to be berated day after damn day.
Maybe knowledge isn't always merit???