Hair Cutting Days

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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by Virgo » Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:41 am

If anyone needs help checking you can see the animal day here:

https://www.wofs.com/index.php?option=com_jumi&fileid=6

You can see the lunar mansion here:

http://vedictime.com/en/tools/panchang

Using this list you can see which number that nakshatra corresponds to in the Vedic system (it's the first number):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nakshatras

Deduct 1 from that number to see what it corresponds to on the Tibetan list (they count the first one as '0').

To see lunar day also use the panchanga link above and you can see the lunar day/date which is listed as 'tithi'.

To translate that lunar day or tithi into it's number use this list:

http://vedictime.com/en/library/panchanga/tithi

You will see that the first 15 are listed as 1-15 of Shukla paksha. Then come 1-15 of Krishna paksha. The 1'st tithi of Krishna paksha corresponds to the 16'th on the hair cutting lists. The 15'th of shuka paksha is 30, etc.

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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by Tenma » Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:06 am

Virgo wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:41 am
If anyone needs help checking you can see the animal day here:

https://www.wofs.com/index.php?option=com_jumi&fileid=6

You can see the lunar mansion here:

http://vedictime.com/en/tools/panchang

Using this list you can see which number that nakshatra corresponds to in the Vedic system (it's the first number):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nakshatras

Deduct 1 from that number to see what it corresponds to on the Tibetan list (they count the first one as '0').

To see lunar day also use the panchanga link above and you can see the lunar day/date which is listed as 'tithi'.

To translate that lunar day or tithi into it's number use this list:

http://vedictime.com/en/library/panchanga/tithi

You will see that the first 15 are listed as 1-15 of Shukla paksha. Then come 1-15 of Krishna paksha. The 1'st tithi of Krishna paksha corresponds to the 16'th on the hair cutting lists. The 15'th of shuka paksha is 30, etc.

Kevin...
And you mean to tell me THIS requires empowerment?
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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by Norwegian » Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:14 am

Tenma wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:06 am
Virgo wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:41 am
If anyone needs help checking you can see the animal day here:

https://www.wofs.com/index.php?option=com_jumi&fileid=6

You can see the lunar mansion here:

http://vedictime.com/en/tools/panchang

Using this list you can see which number that nakshatra corresponds to in the Vedic system (it's the first number):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nakshatras

Deduct 1 from that number to see what it corresponds to on the Tibetan list (they count the first one as '0').

To see lunar day also use the panchanga link above and you can see the lunar day/date which is listed as 'tithi'.

To translate that lunar day or tithi into it's number use this list:

http://vedictime.com/en/library/panchanga/tithi

You will see that the first 15 are listed as 1-15 of Shukla paksha. Then come 1-15 of Krishna paksha. The 1'st tithi of Krishna paksha corresponds to the 16'th on the hair cutting lists. The 15'th of shuka paksha is 30, etc.

Kevin...
And you mean to tell me THIS requires empowerment?
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=28728
If you want to do Vajrayana practice, then yes you need relevant empowerment, transmission, and instructions/teachings.

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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by Tenma » Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:34 am

Norwegian wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:14 am
Tenma wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:06 am
Virgo wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:41 am
If anyone needs help checking you can see the animal day here:

https://www.wofs.com/index.php?option=com_jumi&fileid=6

You can see the lunar mansion here:

http://vedictime.com/en/tools/panchang

Using this list you can see which number that nakshatra corresponds to in the Vedic system (it's the first number):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nakshatras

Deduct 1 from that number to see what it corresponds to on the Tibetan list (they count the first one as '0').

To see lunar day also use the panchanga link above and you can see the lunar day/date which is listed as 'tithi'.

To translate that lunar day or tithi into it's number use this list:

http://vedictime.com/en/library/panchanga/tithi

You will see that the first 15 are listed as 1-15 of Shukla paksha. Then come 1-15 of Krishna paksha. The 1'st tithi of Krishna paksha corresponds to the 16'th on the hair cutting lists. The 15'th of shuka paksha is 30, etc.

Kevin...
And you mean to tell me THIS requires empowerment?
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=28728
If you want to do Vajrayana practice, then yes you need relevant empowerment, transmission, and instructions/teachings.
No, I mean what Virgo is saying. Does hair cutting require an empowerment as well? Because this is getting ridiculous.

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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by dzogchungpa » Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:18 am

Tenma wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:34 am
Does hair cutting require an empowerment as well? Because this is getting ridiculous.

Dude, EVERYTHING requires an empowerment or, at the very least, a lung.
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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by Simon E. » Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:45 am

Well speaking for myself I did not turn to Buddhadharma in order to substitute one set of medieval beliefs for those from another culture, or to spend my short human life in pursuit of spiritual materialism.

But hey, whatever floats your boat.
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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by Grigoris » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:03 am

Simon E. wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:45 am
Well speaking for myself I did not turn to Buddhadharma in order to substitute one set of medieval beliefs for those from another culture, or to spend my short human life in pursuit of spiritual materialism.

But hey, whatever floats your boat.
Just to put an end to the nonsense: the lunar calender is used in the West as well, by certain Eastern Orthodox Christians (for example). Many of the stick-wielding-acorn-munching Britons that made up the bulk of the islands ancestry, would have also used the lunar calendar too, until they were conquered by the Romans and forced to use the Julian calendar (which was then superseded by the Gregorian calendar) and this only happened because the conquerors (and early Christian converts) happened to be sun worshipers. So can you please quit being condescending and borderline racist just for a second? Thanks.

PS Not all of us have/had CTR as a teacher and guru, so what he says may be just dandy for his students, but for the rest of us...
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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by Simon E. » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:12 am

European and Asian medieval world views are medieval world views.
None are superior to any other.
There is nothing racist or condescending about that.
If you use the word 'mind' without defining your terms I will ask you politely for a definition. :smile:
This is not to be awkward. But it's really not self-explanatory.

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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by Tiago Simões » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:26 am

Simon E. wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:12 am
European and Asian medieval world views are medieval world views.
None are superior to any other.
There is nothing racist or condescending about that.
To be fair, the lunar calendar is far much older then the medieval era.

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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by Simon E. » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:31 am

Tiago Simões wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:26 am
Simon E. wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:12 am
European and Asian medieval world views are medieval world views.
None are superior to any other.
There is nothing racist or condescending about that.
To be fair, the lunar calendar is far much older then the medieval era.
Duly noted. My answer still stands. The aim of Buddhadharma is not in my view to take on the minutiae of the ritual life of either our ancestors or of other cultures.
If you use the word 'mind' without defining your terms I will ask you politely for a definition. :smile:
This is not to be awkward. But it's really not self-explanatory.

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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by Grigoris » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:52 am

Simon E. wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:31 am
Tiago Simões wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:26 am
Simon E. wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:12 am
European and Asian medieval world views are medieval world views.
None are superior to any other.
There is nothing racist or condescending about that.
To be fair, the lunar calendar is far much older then the medieval era.
Duly noted. My answer still stands. The aim of Buddhadharma is not in my view to take on the minutiae of the ritual life of either our ancestors or of other cultures.
Well, you'll have to excuse me if I take my teachers opinions over yours.
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Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by Simon E. » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:10 am

I would expect nothing else.
The Vajrayana in the west is in its infancy. It will several generations before these processes work through one way or another i.e. Tradition/Reform. Deciding what is essential and what not.
In the meantime perhaps a mutual flourishing is in order.
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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by Mantrik » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:31 am

Simon E. wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:31 am
The aim of Buddhadharma is not in my view to take on the minutiae of the ritual life of either our ancestors or of other cultures.
Better dump all that tosh about 'karma' then, and all those silly Yidam, Protector and other rituals and that daft Sanskrit and Tibetan language people used. This crazy idea that a lineage is useful had better go too, as clearly nothing was worth communicatiing if it was spoken more than a a couple of centuries ago. All anachronistic so clearly to be ditched. I feel it is all a tad 'ad absurdum' to be selective in this way when the teachings need contextualising. Shakyamuni did not stand apart from his time and culture.

If all we're left with is a lineage of Westerners espousing their own take on Buddhadharma' devoid of meaningful context we're in the same boat as the silly cults I used to know well who can't decide which bits of Tibetan they wish to reject and end up keeping the 'lees and scum of bygone men' but cannot turn the Wheel.
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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by Grigoris » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:30 am

Simon E. wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:10 am
Deciding what is essential and what not.
On what basis do you, for example, make this decision regarding the use of a solar or lunar calendar? What, in your opinion, makes a solar calendar essential and modern, as opposed to the disposable and archaic lunar calendar? Why is a lunar calendar necessarily medieval? Is the moon out of fashion now, or something? What is the logic behind your judgmental remarks except your habit and bias?
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by Simon E. » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:40 am

Whether Lunar or Solar the calendar is in itself not the issue.

Those that are concerned with what I am addressing will either agree with what I am saying or they won't.

And that's fine.
These matters will take decades and perhaps centuries to resolve to some degree.
That has been the case in all the other cultures that the Dharma has encountered.

As for who decides what is essential..well that's down to us in discussion with the rapidly vanishing pool of Himalayan teachers while they are still around.
Some will go with keeping to the letter of the Traditional book, others will take a different route.
If you use the word 'mind' without defining your terms I will ask you politely for a definition. :smile:
This is not to be awkward. But it's really not self-explanatory.

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Re: Hair Cutting Days

Post by Simon E. » Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:26 pm

As a silly aside, every time I read the thread title I hear in my mind the strains of 'In Between Days' by The Cure.


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