Saraswati Terma Masters All Gone?

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Saraswati Terma Masters All Gone?

Post by Tenma » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:30 pm

Have all the masters of the Saraswati terma that both Lama Dawa Chodak and Lama Pema Dorje practiced all gone? Lama Pema Dorje is gone, but what about the others? Are there any left?

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Re: Saraswati Terma Masters All Gone?

Post by Grigoris » Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:33 am

They had students and children, I am sure somebody will maintain the continuation of the practice lineage.
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Re: Saraswati Terma Masters All Gone?

Post by amanitamusc » Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:38 am

Tenma wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:30 pm
Have all the masters of the Saraswati terma that both Lama Dawa Chodak and Lama Pema Dorje practiced all gone? Lama Pema Dorje is gone, but what about the others? Are there any left?
What is your attraction with Saraswati?Are you still seeking revenge on people.

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Post by Grigoris » Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:40 am

amanitamusc wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:38 am
Tenma wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:30 pm
Have all the masters of the Saraswati terma that both Lama Dawa Chodak and Lama Pema Dorje practiced all gone? Lama Pema Dorje is gone, but what about the others? Are there any left?
What is your attraction with Saraswati?Are you still seeking revenge on people.
With Saraswati? What is he going to do? Poison them aurally with Barry Manilow tunes?

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Re: Saraswati Terma Masters All Gone?

Post by Lhasa » Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:44 pm

I LOVE that song. :twothumbsup:

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Re: Saraswati Terma Masters All Gone?

Post by Grigoris » Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:52 pm

Lhasa wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:44 pm
I LOVE that song. :twothumbsup:
Seek professional help immediately! :tongue: The poisoning seems to be already taking effect!
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Post by Crazywisdom » Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:57 pm

Saraswati is precious deity for wisdom and artistic creativity.
I got my Chili Chilaya.

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Post by amanitamusc » Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:59 pm

wow Greg!
I never thought you would pull the BM card. Very scary. :toilet: :tongue:

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Re: Saraswati Terma Masters All Gone?

Post by Grigoris » Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:00 pm

Crazywisdom wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:57 pm
Saraswati is precious deity for wisdom and artistic creativity.
Does she have a wrathful aspect?
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Saraswati Terma Masters All Gone?

Post by amanitamusc » Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:04 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:00 pm
Crazywisdom wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:57 pm
Saraswati is precious deity for wisdom and artistic creativity.
Does she have a wrathful aspect?
I think She has friends ;)

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Re: Saraswati Terma Masters All Gone?

Post by Crazywisdom » Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:05 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:00 pm
Crazywisdom wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:57 pm
Saraswati is precious deity for wisdom and artistic creativity.
Does she have a wrathful aspect?
I don’t know their terma, but as Saraswati, no. She is peaceful. I’m partial here bc my ancestral land is the Saraswati river valley. My family is very partial to this deity. If she’s in a Durga dakini aspect that would have another name like kalaratri. It seems Vajra Vetali.

Or this: https://www.himalayanart.org/items/59724
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Re: Saraswati Terma Masters All Gone?

Post by Lhasa » Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:42 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:52 pm
Lhasa wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:44 pm
I LOVE that song. :twothumbsup:
Seek professional help immediately! :tongue: The poisoning seems to be already taking effect!
If mantras had melodies like this song, that stick in the mind and brighten the heart, one would never lose the presence of the deity. :tongue: :rolling:

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Re: Saraswati Terma Masters All Gone?

Post by pemachophel » Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:50 pm

I don't know about Lama Tharchin's and Lama Pema Dorje's students, but I do know for sure that Lama Dawa did pass on this terma cycle to two of His students -- the entire cycle with all wangs, lungs, men-ngags, and authorization to be lineage holders. He also gave these two students the wang text to eventually give this empowerment themselves. These two students are currently working on the accomplishment of this cycle. Once they have successfully accomplished the requisite signs, they will then be under a three-year seal of secrecy before they can share it with others. So we can hope maybe five years from now. It all depends on whether their sadhana is successful. It is quite beyond merely hitting a certain number of mantras or spending a certain amount in retreat.

I have also heard from Dr. Nida Chengagtsang that there are Lamas in Rebgong, Amdo/Qinghai who still hold and practice this cycle, but I haven't yet been able to personally verify this or connect with those practitioners. The Terton, Cho-kyi Go-cha, was from Amdo and I believe the terma was originally revealed there.

I believe Loppon Jigme's father was also a practitioner of this cycle. Loppon Jigme is one of Kyabje Chatral Rinpoche's four lineage-holders. He lives and teaches in (I believe) Marin County, CA. I have no idea whether He holds this cycle or not.
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Re: Saraswati Terma Masters All Gone?

Post by Tenma » Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:32 pm

pemachophel wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:50 pm
I don't know about Lama Tharchin's and Lama Pema Dorje's students, but I do know for sure that Lama Dawa did pass on this terma cycle to two of His students -- the entire cycle with all wangs, lungs, men-ngags, and authorization to be lineage holders. He also gave these two students the wang text to eventually give this empowerment themselves. These two students are currently working on the accomplishment of this cycle. Once they have successfully accomplished the requisite signs, they will then be under a three-year seal of secrecy before they can share it with others. So we can hope maybe five years from now. It all depends on whether their sadhana is successful. It is quite beyond merely hitting a certain number of mantras or spending a certain amount in retreat.

I have also heard from Dr. Nida Chengagtsang that there are Lamas in Rebgong, Amdo/Qinghai who still hold and practice this cycle, but I haven't yet been able to personally verify this or connect with those practitioners. The Terton, Cho-kyi Go-cha, was from Amdo and I believe the terma was originally revealed there.

I believe Loppon Jigme's father was also a practitioner of this cycle. Loppon Jigme is one of Kyabje Chatral Rinpoche's four lineage-holders. He lives and teaches in (I believe) Marin County, CA. I have no idea whether He holds this cycle or not.
Let's have hope and see if this most precious tradition survives or not...

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Re: Saraswati Terma Masters All Gone?

Post by swordsinger » Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:43 am

What is the Saraswati Terma?

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Re: Saraswati Terma Masters All Gone?

Post by Tenma » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:06 pm

swordsinger wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:43 am
What is the Saraswati Terma?
A terma revealed in Amdo region of Tibet by the 11th-13th century terton, Chokyi Gocha as Flaws said. However, I have no clue who on earth Chokyi Gocha is with the only google results being about the Tai Situpa :shrug:

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Re: Saraswati Terma Masters All Gone?

Post by rigdor » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:34 am

Terton Chokyi Gocha's Red Saraswati terma can be founded in Dilgo Khyentse RPC's sungbum, wilh all texts for empowerment and practice. So you can try to request from main students of Dilgo Khyentse RPC, like Rabjam RPC or Dzongsar Khyentse RPC

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Re: Saraswati Terma Masters All Gone?

Post by Malcolm » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:04 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:00 pm
Crazywisdom wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:57 pm
Saraswati is precious deity for wisdom and artistic creativity.
Does she have a wrathful aspect?

Yes, the wrathful form of Saraswati is Magzor Gyalmo.
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One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
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Re: Saraswati Terma Masters All Gone?

Post by Kunzang Tobgyal » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:54 pm

Tenma wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:06 pm
swordsinger wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:43 am
What is the Saraswati Terma?
A terma revealed in Amdo region of Tibet by the 11th-13th century terton, Chokyi Gocha as Flaws said. However, I have no clue who on earth Chokyi Gocha is with the only google results being about the Tai Situpa :shrug:
Do you know if it's included in the Rinchen Terdzo?

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Re: Saraswati Terma Masters All Gone?

Post by rigdor » Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:02 pm

Kunzang Tobgyal wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:54 pm
Do you know if it's included in the Rinchen Terdzo?
No, Rinchen terdzo don't have this terma

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