Strategies for Keeping Practice in the West

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Strategies for Keeping Practice in the West

Post by Miroku » Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:39 pm

Crazywisdom wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:35 pm
We should have a thread about strategies for keeping practice in while struggling along in the West.
Based on the quote above, what strategies are there, what are you using, which can you recommend?
Child, if you are not hypocritical and out of control, that is conduct.
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Re: Strategies for Keeping Practice in the West

Post by Crazywisdom » Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:47 pm

I gave details in prior thread. Can that be quoted here?
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Re: Strategies for Keeping Practice in the West

Post by Miroku » Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:52 pm

Crazywisdom wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:47 pm
I gave details in prior thread. Can that be quoted here?
Go for it. Just copy paste the quote.
Child, if you are not hypocritical and out of control, that is conduct.
~ Padampa Sangye

You say such clever things to people, but you do not apply them to yourself.
The faults within you are the ones to be exposed.
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Re: Strategies for Keeping Practice in the West

Post by Crazywisdom » Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:59 pm

For example,

In a way what we are doing is solving a professional problem. What I did, and I spend most hours in a day in practice somehow, was: find methods with samayas that promise very swift liberation, like Drolod or Guhyagarbha wrathful mandala, Chetsün Nyingthig, etc., practice them in short and intense 24/h reteats; I have a professional education so I situated myself to make maximum profits with minimal time mainly by delegating; so I work one or two hours a day, usually less; learned this market gambling so I can work even less; got an open minded consort; I have an apartment perfectly situated for certain methods; and I almost never leave; learn to be super well budgeted. That’s about it.
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Re: Strategies for Keeping Practice in the West

Post by Tlalok » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:07 pm

Crazywisdom wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:59 pm
For example,

In a way what we are doing is solving a professional problem. What I did, and I spend most hours in a day in practice somehow, was: find methods with samayas that promise very swift liberation, like Drolod or Guhyagarbha wrathful mandala, Chetsün Nyingthig, etc., practice them in short and intense 24/h reteats; I have a professional education so I situated myself to make maximum profits with minimal time mainly by delegating; so I work one or two hours a day, usually less; learned this market gambling so I can work even less; got an open minded consort; I have an apartment perfectly situated for certain methods; and I almost never leave; learn to be super well budgeted. That’s about it.
This is almost exactly like my situation if you trade out almost all references to buddhist practice with video games. I just try to take it a day at a time with an essential daily practice (ngondro).

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Re: Strategies for Keeping Practice in the West

Post by Punya » Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:38 am

Make a commitment to your teacher to do a certain amount of practice each day.

Then no matter how you unwell you feel, no matter how little time you think you have, no matter how busy at work you think you are, somehow you find the time. Some provisos, of course, but for most of us this is all that's needed.
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Re: Strategies for Keeping Practice in the West

Post by Sennin » Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:40 am

Miroku wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:39 pm
Crazywisdom wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:35 pm
We should have a thread about strategies for keeping practice in while struggling along in the West.
Based on the quote above, what strategies are there, what are you using, which can you recommend?
Keep the Guru on the crown, enjoy the practice without any expectations.
Thus, there is not a single one who has entered into this teaching who fails to attain buddhahood.

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Re: Strategies for Keeping Practice in the West

Post by MiphamFan » Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:53 am

Langlab Changchub Dorje was a poor shepherd who looked after someone else's flock. He still managed to beat Ra Lotsawa.

I honestly feel overwhelmed by a lot of the elaborate sadhanas and wonder when, if ever, I can have the opportunity to learn them in depth. Fortunately, there are plenty of short sadhanas that are complete and can be used to fulfill nyenpa.

I have a reasonably stable job which I don't find very stressful. But I feel that I have to upgrade my skills to prepare for the future of disruption.

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Re: Strategies for Keeping Practice in the West

Post by fckw » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:00 am

Don't do more practice but just increase the quality of your practice.

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Re: Strategies for Keeping Practice in the West

Post by Grigoris » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:15 am

If one's job creates merit, then more than half your practice is already done for the day. From there on all you need to do is keep your samaya.

Realistically, how many of us are going to reach enlightenment in this life?

So, if you want to hedge your bets (you listening CW? :tongue: ) then generating merit is the way to go right now. If you have time to develop wisdom too, well that is great. I think somebody once mentioned three hours a day of "practice", minimum for results in this lifetime?
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Re: Strategies for Keeping Practice in the West

Post by shaunc » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:55 am

Just about anything we do in daily life can be considered practice if approached with the right mindset.

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Post by Aryjna » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:30 am

The question refers to intense formal practice. It is true of course that you can always practice in daily life, but your daily life practice is much weaker if you have not increased your capacity for daily life practice through intense formal practice.

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Re: Strategies for Keeping Practice in the West

Post by Sennin » Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:51 pm

Proper preparation prevents poor performance.
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Re: Strategies for Keeping Practice in the West

Post by weitsicht » Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:13 pm

Strategies for keeping practice in the west:
I find that topic quite lame.
I believe that the dharma finds its own ways to express and is better left alone of good intentions.
Grigoris wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:15 am
I think somebody once mentioned three hours a day of "practice", minimum for results in this lifetime?
And Dream Yoga counts in that?
Shaunc wrote:Just about anything we do in daily life can be considered practice if approached with the right mindset.
I totally share that view.
Me pursuing my job is a way of sharing that little dharmic insight I have with others through my body, speech, and mind.

What sense does meditation have if not tested against perceived reality (like being called by mom or dissed by a colleauge)?

This being said, I also do my way of gambling with the stock market and expect to retire early through a frugal lifestyle in combination with the former. I am however not too sure which karma that accumulates. Following diversification my asset gains probably are not 100% ethically clean.
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Re: Strategies for Keeping Practice in the West

Post by Grigoris » Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:24 pm

weitsicht wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:13 pm
And Dream Yoga counts in that?
I see no reason why it wouldn't. Thing is: Will you be doing dream yoga or will you just be dreaming? Dream yoga is so easy and yet so difficult...
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Strategies for Keeping Practice in the West

Post by Miroku » Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:24 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:15 am
If one's job creates merit, then more than half your practice is already done for the day. From there on all you need to do is keep your samaya.

Realistically, how many of us are going to reach enlightenment in this life?

So, if you want to hedge your bets (you listening CW? :tongue: ) then generating merit is the way to go right now. If you have time to develop wisdom too, well that is great. I think somebody once mentioned three hours a day of "practice", minimum for results in this lifetime?
Heh, not listening to CW. I am no gambler and have zero idea how money works. I am afraid normal daily job is the way for me. :D

Three hours? That seems doable.
Child, if you are not hypocritical and out of control, that is conduct.
~ Padampa Sangye

You say such clever things to people, but you do not apply them to yourself.
The faults within you are the ones to be exposed.
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Re: Strategies for Keeping Practice in the West

Post by Aryjna » Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:29 pm

weitsicht wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:13 pm
Shaunc wrote:Just about anything we do in daily life can be considered practice if approached with the right mindset.
I totally share that view.
Me pursuing my job is a way of sharing that little dharmic insight I have with others through my body, speech, and mind.

What sense does meditation have if not tested against perceived reality (like being called by mom or dissed by a colleauge)?
Some, if not most, of the most prominent masters of Dzogchen do not share that view though. Also, you do not have to live a worldly life in order to have your realization tested against various circumstances.

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Re: Strategies for Keeping Practice in the West

Post by Grigoris » Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:34 pm

Aryjna wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:29 pm
Some, if not most, of the most prominent masters of Dzogchen do not share that view though. Also, you do not have to live a worldly life in order to have your realization tested against various circumstances.
The view that practice is not just the time you put in on the pillow?
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Strategies for Keeping Practice in the West

Post by Aryjna » Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:37 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:34 pm
Aryjna wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:29 pm
Some, if not most, of the most prominent masters of Dzogchen do not share that view though. Also, you do not have to live a worldly life in order to have your realization tested against various circumstances.
The view that practice is not just the time you put in on the pillow?
The view that if you practice during daily life you do not need many hours of formal practice as well. It goes without saying that you should always be practicing during other activities.

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Re: Strategies for Keeping Practice in the West

Post by Grigoris » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:03 pm

Aryjna wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:37 pm
The view that if you practice during daily life you do not need many hours of formal practice as well. It goes without saying that you should always be practicing during other activities.
If, when one is introduced to the nature of mind they "get it" and can "maintain it", of what value is formal practice?

Granted this is a HUGE "if".
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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