Kyabgon Gongma Trichen Rinpoche is the Mind Emanation of Guru Rinpoche

Forum for discussion of Tibetan Buddhism. Questions specific to one school are best posted in the appropriate sub-forum.
Post Reply
Motova
Posts: 1117
Joined: Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:05 pm

Kyabgon Gongma Trichen Rinpoche is the Mind Emanation of Guru Rinpoche

Post by Motova » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:15 am

http://rywiki.tsadra.org/index.php/Jangter:

"...there are the Three Supreme Emanations, who are full Manifestations of the Body, Speech and Mind of Guru Rinpoche. The Body emanation is Nyang Rel Nyima Od Ser, and the Speech emanation is Guru Chowang; the Great Awareness-Holder Rigdzin Godem, discoverer of the Byangter, is the Emanation of the Mind, the highest of the three."

http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?titl ... n_Rinpoche:

"...an incarnation of Apang Tertön."

http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?titl ... ert%C3%B6n:

"Apang Tertön was considered to be the reincarnation of Rigdzin Gödem..."
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:58 pm
The four means of converting beings to the Dharma are generosity (which itself as four aspects: giving material gifts, conferring fearlessness, loving kindness and teaching Dharma), pleasant speech, conduct and setting an example.

Motova
Posts: 1117
Joined: Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:05 pm

Re: Kyabgon Gongma Trichen Rinpoche is the Mind Emanation of Guru Rinpoche

Post by Motova » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:19 am

Apparently so is Sogyal Lakar. :shrug:
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:58 pm
The four means of converting beings to the Dharma are generosity (which itself as four aspects: giving material gifts, conferring fearlessness, loving kindness and teaching Dharma), pleasant speech, conduct and setting an example.

Motova
Posts: 1117
Joined: Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:05 pm

Re: Kyabgon Gongma Trichen Rinpoche is the Mind Emanation of Guru Rinpoche

Post by Motova » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:41 am

Kyabgon Gongma Trichen Rinpoche's grand daughter is Yeshe Tsogyal.
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:58 pm
The four means of converting beings to the Dharma are generosity (which itself as four aspects: giving material gifts, conferring fearlessness, loving kindness and teaching Dharma), pleasant speech, conduct and setting an example.

User avatar
Josef
Posts: 2151
Joined: Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:44 pm
Contact:

Re: Kyabgon Gongma Trichen Rinpoche is the Mind Emanation of Guru Rinpoche

Post by Josef » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:08 am

Motova wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:19 am
Apparently so is Sogyal Lakar. :shrug:
Khenpo Jigphun
Kye ma!
The river of continuity is marked by impermanence.
Ceaseless flowing of appearance.
Beautiful and repulsive.
The dance of life and death is a display of the vast expanse.
With gratitude the watcher and the watched pass through the barrier of duality.

fckw
Posts: 385
Joined: Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:10 am

Re: Kyabgon Gongma Trichen Rinpoche is the Mind Emanation of Guru Rinpoche

Post by fckw » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:19 am

Oh, I know yet another guy who is claimed to actually be Padmasambhava. Don't ask me which emanation that would be. Nevertheless, he's a lovely chap. In Tibet they don't seem to have a problem to have several Padmasambhavas around.

User avatar
yan kong
Posts: 285
Joined: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:01 am

Re: Kyabgon Gongma Trichen Rinpoche is the Mind Emanation of Guru Rinpoche

Post by yan kong » Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:48 pm

fckw wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:19 am
In Tibet they don't seem to have a problem to have several Padmasambhavas around.
Why would they? It's a perfectly orthodox opinion to hold.
"Meditation is a spiritual exercise, not a therapeutic regime... Our intention is to enter Nirvana, not to make life in Samsara more tolerable." Chan Master Hsu Yun

User avatar
Malcolm
Posts: 28062
Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:19 am

Re: Kyabgon Gongma Trichen Rinpoche is the Mind Emanation of Guru Rinpoche

Post by Malcolm » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:05 pm

Motova wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:19 am
Apparently so is Sogyal Lakar. :shrug:
Recognized by his mother, but not really enthroned, or recognized by anyone else as such.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

mandog
Posts: 16
Joined: Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:10 pm

Re: Kyabgon Gongma Trichen Rinpoche is the Mind Emanation of Guru Rinpoche

Post by mandog » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:08 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:05 pm
Motova wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:19 am
Apparently so is Sogyal Lakar. :shrug:
Recognized by his mother, but not really enthroned, or recognized by anyone else as such.
Is the story of Khyentse Chokyi Lodro recognizing and enthroning him a fabrication?

fckw
Posts: 385
Joined: Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:10 am

Re: Kyabgon Gongma Trichen Rinpoche is the Mind Emanation of Guru Rinpoche

Post by fckw » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:10 pm

yan kong wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:48 pm
fckw wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:19 am
In Tibet they don't seem to have a problem to have several Padmasambhavas around.
Why would they? It's a perfectly orthodox opinion to hold.
You know, for any odd reason in Tibet tulkus are or were born in rich and influential families with much higher probability than in poor and not so influential ones. Now, perhaps tulkus generally just seem to have an unexplained preference to be born in rich and influential families? Or it's their fortunate karma?

Or then, perhaps the explanation is by far less romantic.

Hence: My point of having several Padmasambhavas around was not so much about the number of them, but rather about the point that there seems to be a certain level of, well, let's call it "arbitrariness" to it.

Motova
Posts: 1117
Joined: Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:05 pm

Re: Kyabgon Gongma Trichen Rinpoche is the Mind Emanation of Guru Rinpoche

Post by Motova » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:35 pm

fckw wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:10 pm
yan kong wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:48 pm
fckw wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:19 am
In Tibet they don't seem to have a problem to have several Padmasambhavas around.
Why would they? It's a perfectly orthodox opinion to hold.
You know, for any odd reason in Tibet tulkus are or were born in rich and influential families with much higher probability than in poor and not so influential ones. Now, perhaps tulkus generally just seem to have an unexplained preference to be born in rich and influential families? Or it's their fortunate karma?

Or then, perhaps the explanation is by far less romantic.

Hence: My point of having several Padmasambhavas around was not so much about the number of them, but rather about the point that there seems to be a certain level of, well, let's call it "arbitrariness" to it.
Practicing Dharma requires a lot of leisure time, wealth means more leisure time.
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:58 pm
The four means of converting beings to the Dharma are generosity (which itself as four aspects: giving material gifts, conferring fearlessness, loving kindness and teaching Dharma), pleasant speech, conduct and setting an example.

Motova
Posts: 1117
Joined: Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:05 pm

Re: Kyabgon Gongma Trichen Rinpoche is the Mind Emanation of Guru Rinpoche

Post by Motova » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:44 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:05 pm
Motova wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:19 am
Apparently so is Sogyal Lakar. :shrug:
Recognized by his mother, but not really enthroned, or recognized by anyone else as such.
I see, thank you.

I'm very happy to have received Guru Rinpoche empowerment from Guru Rinpoche. My first Guru was Guru Rinpoche. :smile:
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:58 pm
The four means of converting beings to the Dharma are generosity (which itself as four aspects: giving material gifts, conferring fearlessness, loving kindness and teaching Dharma), pleasant speech, conduct and setting an example.

User avatar
Malcolm
Posts: 28062
Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:19 am

Re: Kyabgon Gongma Trichen Rinpoche is the Mind Emanation of Guru Rinpoche

Post by Malcolm » Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:09 pm

fckw wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:10 pm
yan kong wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:48 pm
fckw wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:19 am
In Tibet they don't seem to have a problem to have several Padmasambhavas around.
Why would they? It's a perfectly orthodox opinion to hold.
You know, for any odd reason in Tibet tulkus are or were born in rich and influential families with much higher probability than in poor and not so influential ones. Now, perhaps tulkus generally just seem to have an unexplained preference to be born in rich and influential families? Or it's their fortunate karma?

Or then, perhaps the explanation is by far less romantic.

Hence: My point of having several Padmasambhavas around was not so much about the number of them, but rather about the point that there seems to be a certain level of, well, let's call it "arbitrariness" to it.
Tulkus are recognized in all kinds of families.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

haha
Posts: 192
Joined: Thu May 23, 2013 3:30 pm

Re: Kyabgon Gongma Trichen Rinpoche is the Mind Emanation of Guru Rinpoche

Post by haha » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:42 am

Motova wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:35 pm
Practicing Dharma requires a lot of leisure time, wealth means more leisure time.
Yes, indeed. But that wealth will be cashable only if one has renunciation. :smile:

In this world hatred never ceases with hatred
With non hatred it ceases, this is the ancient lore.

Upakilesasuttaṃ

Post Reply

Return to “Tibetan Buddhism”