How to Liberate Others Without Them Knowing

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How to Liberate Others Without Them Knowing

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Any ideas on this one? Preferably, a way without looking weird(no, prayer wheel fidget spinners haven't quite worked nor rapping chants).
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Have you liberated yourself with the particular practice? Have you even completed (at least) the approach for the practice?

Didn't think so.

So how are you going to liberate others? :shrug:
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If they are animals blow mantras on their food and water and on them as well. This will plant seeds rather than liberate them but you might see a change manifesting a more compassionate mind even in their own lifetime.

Ultimately we can only plant seeds. Beings have to liberate themselves.

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Tenma wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:01 am Any ideas on this one? Preferably, a way without looking weird(no, prayer wheel fidget spinners haven't quite worked nor rapping chants).
There are no "others" to liberate!

Read the Diamond Sutra and contemplate about it. Then make vows to liberate all beings!
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You can’t really liberate people without them knowing, but you can connect them with auspicious conditions for their future. There are mantra that are known as liberation by hearing, and liberation by seeing can take the form of mantras, pictures, dance, etc. There are items that are liberation by touch, taste, smell, and so on. Om Mani Padme Hum is good to carve on rocks. Prayer flags are good to hang. Ah A Ha Sha Sa Ma is to to say around people or to show them or have them touch it. An easy on is the classic Om ye dharma hetu....
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Crazywisdom wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:53 pm You can’t really liberate people without them knowing, but you can connect them with auspicious conditions for their future. There are mantra that are known as liberation by hearing, and liberation by seeing can take the form of mantras, pictures, dance, etc. There are items that are liberation by touch, taste, smell, and so on. Om Mani Padme Hum is good to carve on rocks. Prayer flags are good to hang. Ah A Ha Sha Sa Ma is to to say around people or to show them or have them touch it. An easy on is the classic Om ye dharma hetu....
if only it were that easy
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WuMing wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:04 pm
Crazywisdom wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:53 pm You can’t really liberate people without them knowing, but you can connect them with auspicious conditions for their future. There are mantra that are known as liberation by hearing, and liberation by seeing can take the form of mantras, pictures, dance, etc. There are items that are liberation by touch, taste, smell, and so on. Om Mani Padme Hum is good to carve on rocks. Prayer flags are good to hang. Ah A Ha Sha Sa Ma is to to say around people or to show them or have them touch it. An easy on is the classic Om ye dharma hetu....
if only it were that easy
It is that easy to create the connection.
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Also statues of Buddha are very important.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... pture.html
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Aryjna wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:07 pm
WuMing wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:04 pm
Crazywisdom wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:53 pm You can’t really liberate people without them knowing, but you can connect them with auspicious conditions for their future. There are mantra that are known as liberation by hearing, and liberation by seeing can take the form of mantras, pictures, dance, etc. There are items that are liberation by touch, taste, smell, and so on. Om Mani Padme Hum is good to carve on rocks. Prayer flags are good to hang. Ah A Ha Sha Sa Ma is to to say around people or to show them or have them touch it. An easy on is the classic Om ye dharma hetu....
if only it were that easy
It is that easy to create the connection.
That’s right. It is that easy.
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Crazywisdom wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:09 pm
Aryjna wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:07 pm
WuMing wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:04 pm

if only it were that easy
It is that easy to create the connection.
That’s right. It is that easy.
why do you practice then?
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WuMing wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:24 pm
Crazywisdom wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:09 pm
Aryjna wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:07 pm
It is that easy to create the connection.
That’s right. It is that easy.
why do you practice then?
You misunderstand. These are for making connections. The teachings on these things say folks who make contact with the above mentioned stuff will be meet the perfect lama and be liberated in X number of lives.
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Crazywisdom wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:32 pm
WuMing wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:24 pm
Crazywisdom wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:09 pm

That’s right. It is that easy.
why do you practice then?
You misunderstand. These are for making connections. The teachings on these things say folks who make contact with the above mentioned stuff will be meet the perfect lama and be liberated in X number of lives.
OK, I understand! Thank you for clarification!
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Will liberate THEMSELVES in X number of lives. ;)
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Grigoris wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:38 pm Will liberate THEMSELVES in X number of lives. ;)
By meeting a teacher and practicing what is taught.
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Grigoris wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:44 am Have you liberated yourself with the particular practice? Have you even completed (at least) the approach for the practice?

Didn't think so.

So how are you going to liberate others? :shrug:
So how is one supposed to make merit? Or follow bodhisattva vows?
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Tenma wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:00 pmSo how is one supposed to make merit?
Through wholesome actions.
Or follow bodhisattva vows?
According to your capacity.

For example: Which is the first Paramita?
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You can’t liberate other people only your self and through your actions help other people and shine a light in to the world
Everything else would be imo like trying to mission
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Grigoris wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:16 pm
Tenma wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:00 pmSo how is one supposed to make merit?
Through wholesome actions.
Or follow bodhisattva vows?
According to your capacity.

For example: Which is the first Paramita?
Generosity.
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OceanOfSound wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:44 pm You can’t liberate other people only your self and through your actions help other people and shine a light in to the world
Everything else would be imo like trying to mission
So we have to practice Theravada first?
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Tenma wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:30 pm So we have to practice Theravada first?
The point is that we can't make people enlightened we can only show them the methods.
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