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Nyung Ney

Post by kirtu » Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:50 am

Nyung Ney : Abiding in the Fast : A two day fasting and prostration practice from kriyayoga tantra

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
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Re: Nyung Ney

Post by kirtu » Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:57 am

Kirt's Tibetan Translation Notes

"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: Nyung Ney

Post by Jangchup Donden » Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:34 pm

I'd add Rest for the Fortunate - a great read for anyone interested in doing Nyungnes.

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Post by Grigoris » Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:52 pm

I mentioned practicing Nyung Ney to Loppon Ogyan Tanzin Rinpoche and he said it was unecessary and not beneficial for ngakpa, since they would be depriving the deity of offerings when doing the practice.
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Re: Nyung Ney

Post by kirtu » Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:10 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:52 pm
I mentioned practicing Nyung Ney to Loppon Ogyan Tanzin Rinpoche and he said it was unecessary and not beneficial for ngakpa, since they would be depriving the deity of offerings when doing the practice.
Well it's an ascetic purification practice. So if he were referring to oneself as deity then sure. My Nyingma (Palyul) lamas offer a Nyung Ney retreat every year and some of those participants are ngakpas so this is certainly a different POV.

Kirt
Kirt's Tibetan Translation Notes

"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: Nyung Ney

Post by kirtu » Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:13 pm

Jangchup Donden wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:34 pm
I'd add Rest for the Fortunate - a great read for anyone interested in doing Nyungnes.
"Rest for the Fortunate" is truly excellent!

Kirt
Kirt's Tibetan Translation Notes

"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: Nyung Ney

Post by zerwe » Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:27 pm

LYWA also offer LZR's "Abiding in the Retreat" which is a compilation of teachings
serving as a commentary for the practice. FPMT also offer a manual/guidebook for performing
this ritual as well.

Shaun :namaste:

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Re: Nyung Ney

Post by Grigoris » Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:05 am

kirtu wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:10 pm
So if he were referring to oneself as deity then sure.
Who else would be the deity apart from all of us? :smile:
My Nyingma (Palyul) lamas offer a Nyung Ney retreat every year and some of those participants are ngakpas so this is certainly a different POV.
I was surprised by the comment too.
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: Nyung Ney

Post by kirtu » Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:00 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:05 am
kirtu wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:10 pm
So if he were referring to oneself as deity then sure.
Who else would be the deity apart from all of us? :smile:
Most people do not abide in that view off the mat.
Everyone needs purification (relatively) and many people are interested in this practice.

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Kirt's Tibetan Translation Notes

"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: Nyung Ney

Post by Grigoris » Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:27 pm

kirtu wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:00 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:05 am
kirtu wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:10 pm
So if he were referring to oneself as deity then sure.
Who else would be the deity apart from all of us? :smile:
Most people do not abide in that view off the mat.
Everyone needs purification (relatively) and many people are interested in this practice.

Kirt
Indeed!

I am just offering an alternative view regarding the practice.
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: Nyung Ney

Post by Aspiring.Monk » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:44 am

Is this practice something that needs empowerment before performing?

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Re: Nyung Ney

Post by conebeckham » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:14 am

Aspiring.Monk wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:44 am
Is this practice something that needs empowerment before performing?
Ideally, yes.

With regard to the discussion---although it's common to explain Nyung Nes as a "kriya"" practice, it can be approached from a variety of views....I will not elaborate, but I will recommend Nyung Nes. This is a powerful method to accumulate merit, and a chance to develop bodhicitta--both relative and absolute.

I would also just comment re "chudlen" practice.......does that also "deprive the deity?"
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It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
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Re: Nyung Ney

Post by Johnny Dangerous » Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:06 am

Aspiring.Monk wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:44 am
Is this practice something that needs empowerment before performing?
I was under the impression (well, have been told this in Sakya) that 1000 Arm Chenrezig is empowerment needed for Nung Ne.
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Re: Nyung Ney

Post by kirtu » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:47 am

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:06 am
Aspiring.Monk wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:44 am
Is this practice something that needs empowerment before performing?
I was under the impression (well, have been told this in Sakya) that 1000 Arm Chenrezig is empowerment needed for Nung Ne.
Sakya is very particular about these matters. Gelug and Nyingma basically less so. Lama Zopa has said that one just needs a Chenrezig empowerment and not specifically the 1000 Arm Chenrezig empowerment. Nyingma (at least Palyul) just says any HYT empowerment.

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Kirt's Tibetan Translation Notes

"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: Nyung Ney

Post by bryandavis » Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:00 pm

Last year I spoke with a shangpa lama im California who said "without doing a few nyungnye retreats then not much benefit of practicing higher teachings."

Also curious if others here encountrred any practice in the Tibetan tradition that is really pure kriyatantra? I have personally never come across a practice of kriya that wasn't at least explained away with the view of higher yogas.

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Post by heart » Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:26 pm

bryandavis wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:00 pm
Last year I spoke with a shangpa lama im California who said "without doing a few nyungnye retreats then not much benefit of practicing higher teachings."

Also curious if others here encountrred any practice in the Tibetan tradition that is really pure kriyatantra? I have personally never come across a practice of kriya that wasn't at least explained away with the view of higher yogas.
Nyungnye is pure kriya, just like many popular Tara practices. It emphasis cleanliness and keeping the sodjong vows.

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Re: Nyung Ney

Post by pemachophel » Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:56 pm

One of my first Teachers (Nyingma) also said something similar to Loppon Orgyen Tenzin, although Their rationale was not "depriving the Deities." This was in the very early 70s and some other Lama was offering Nyung Nay (maybe Tarthang Tulku) for the first time in the U.S. (at least that my Dharma brothers and sisters had heard of). It sounded wonderful. So we went to our Teacher and asked if we could also do it. They said it was a Kriyayoga practice and asked, "Why would you want to do a lower practice when you're already practicing Mahayoga?" The implication was that Mahayoga was more effective, quicker, more powerful. So why waste your precious time on a practice that was less effective?

Please be clear. I am not saying this Teacher's opinion is correct or that I subscribe to this opinion. I'm just mentioning it to provide a little more breadth to this thread. While this opinion is not so commonly heard, it is also not unheard of either. "Every valley has its Lama. Every Lama has his dharma."
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Re: Nyung Ney

Post by Harimoo » Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:31 pm

One of my teacher linked nyung ney with higher tantras :
by fasting you become the deity who don't need to eat

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