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Studying Uttaratantra Shastra

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:17 pm
by calmdharma
Hi,

I would like to study Uttaratantra Shastra.

1) Can you recommend books about it?
2) If there are online teachings on it, please let us know.
3) I have heard that it is Meireya's fifth book, so 4 previous books must be studied before. What's your opinion on it?
3) As I know, it deals with bhumi up to 10th. But through Dzogchen, it is said that 13th bhumi could be reached. Where can I find any sutra or tantra mentioning 13th bhumi?

Please help me to answer number by number, and not to get out the questions.

Thanks.

Re: Studying Uttaratantra Shastra

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:21 pm
by Tiago Simões
1&2) https://www.siddharthasintent.org/resou ... ha-nature/

This one by Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche is pretty in depth and long. All you have to do is request a free digital copy through email on that link. 😉

If the link doesn't work just look for "Buddha nature by Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche" on google.

Re: Studying Uttaratantra Shastra

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:31 pm
by kirtu
Hi,

I would like to study Uttaratantra Shastra.

1) Can you recommend books about it?
2) If there are online teachings on it, please let us know.
3) I have heard that it is Meireya's fifth book, so 4 previous books must be studied before. What's your opinion on it?
3) As I know, it deals with bhumi up to 10th. But through Dzogchen, it is said that 13th bhumi could be reached. Where can I find any sutra or tantra mentioning 13th bhumi?

Please help me to answer number by number, and not to get out the questions.

Thanks.
3. It can be studied on it's own. The Uttaratantra Shastra is also known as the Ratnagotravibhāga. There are extensive links online.

1. Buddha Nature: The Mahayana Uttaratantra Shastra with Commentary
Arya Maitreya (Author), Khenpo Tsultrim Gyamtso Rinpoche (Commentaries), Rosemarie Fuchs (Translator) There are now two editions.
The Uttaratantra; A Treatise on Buddha-Essence , Thrangu Rinpoche
When the Clouds Part
The Uttaratantra and Its Meditative Tradition as a Bridge between Sutra and Tantra
Translated by Karl Brunnholzl


2. Rigpa Wiki, Uttaratantra Shastra
Berzin, History of the Uttaratantra Shastra
A discussion here of the Uttaratantra Shastra

Re: Studying Uttaratantra Shastra

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:50 pm
by passel
Hi,

I would like to study Uttaratantra Shastra.

1) Can you recommend books about it?
2) If there are online teachings on it, please let us know.
3) I have heard that it is Meireya's fifth book, so 4 previous books must be studied before. What's your opinion on it?
3) As I know, it deals with bhumi up to 10th. But through Dzogchen, it is said that 13th bhumi could be reached. Where can I find any sutra or tantra mentioning 13th bhumi?

Please help me to answer number by number, and not to get out the questions.

Thanks.
Namchak Khenpo in Montana (Tulku Sangnak's brother, Penor Rinpoche's student) will be teaching a course on Uttaratantra Shatra starting next month, 6 sessions on Wednesday evenings, with a webcast available. That could be a good way to make your reading more fruitful. If you're interested, you should be able to get deets from this website:

http://www.ewam.org/retreats

Re: Studying Uttaratantra Shastra

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:55 pm
by Nicholas Weeks
Online and still in print is Takasaki's good study & translation of the root text and Asanga's commentary. He compared the Chinese, Tibetan & Sanskrit versions.

http://lirs.ru/lib/uttara/A_Study_of_Ra ... i,1966.pdf

Re: Studying Uttaratantra Shastra

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:50 am
by calmdharma
I numbered falsely, so post the same questions with correct numbering. Thanks.

Hi,

I would like to study Uttaratantra Shastra.

1) Can you recommend books about it?
2) If there are online teachings on it, please let us know.
3) I have heard that it is Meireya's fifth book, so 4 previous books must be studied before. What's your opinion on it?
4) As I know, it deals with bhumi up to 10th. But through Dzogchen, it is said that 13th bhumi could be reached. Where can I find any sutra or tantra mentioning 13th bhumi?

Please help me to answer number by number, and not to get out the questions.

Thanks.

Re: Studying Uttaratantra Shastra

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:03 am
by PeterC
It’s worth reading it on its own before getting into the commentaries. In addition to DJKr’s mentioned above there is also a translation of Jamgon Kongtrul’s commentary. However before reading the text it’s worth being familiar with the tathagatagharba sutras’ presentation of the analogies used in the shastra.

Re: Studying Uttaratantra Shastra

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:24 am
by Lingpupa
As you see there is quite a bit to choose from. FWIW my own recommendation would be the one first mentioned by kirtu, i.e. https://www.shambhala.com/buddha-nature.html. A huge amount of careful work went into its preparation.

Re: Studying Uttaratantra Shastra

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:24 pm
by gb9810
Lingpupa wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:24 am
As you see there is quite a bit to choose from. FWIW my own recommendation would be the one first mentioned by kirtu, i.e. https://www.shambhala.com/buddha-nature.html. A huge amount of careful work went into its preparation.
+1 for this

Re: Studying Uttaratantra Shastra

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:38 pm
by smcj
gb9810 wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:24 pm
Lingpupa wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:24 am
As you see there is quite a bit to choose from. FWIW my own recommendation would be the one first mentioned by kirtu, i.e. https://www.shambhala.com/buddha-nature.html. A huge amount of careful work went into its preparation.
+1 for this
+ another 1.

Re: Studying Uttaratantra Shastra

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:39 pm
by smcj
Ok, since there are people here that know the text, anybody want to share a thought or two on it?
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For me I see it as two texts. The first 3 chapters are about the 3 Jo’s. The las 4 are about Buddha Nature.

Re: Studying Uttaratantra Shastra

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:11 am
by gb9810
Lingpupa wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:24 am
As you see there is quite a bit to choose from. FWIW my own recommendation would be the one first mentioned by kirtu, i.e. https://www.shambhala.com/buddha-nature.html. A huge amount of careful work went into its preparation.
FYI: to go with the book, you may also find some of these talks useful.

http://ktgr.dscloud.me/moodle/course/in ... egoryid=41

Re: Studying Uttaratantra Shastra

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:50 pm
by calmdharma
Thanks to you all for sharing nice books and online links.

My questions, 3&4, seem not to be interesting topics. But if you can give any insights, I will wait.

3) I have heard that it is Meireya's fifth book, so 4 previous books must be studied ahead of the 5th in order to fully understand. What's your opinion on it?
*1st: The Ornament of Realization
2nd: The Ornament of Mahayana Sutras
3rd: Distinguishing the Middle from Extremes
4th: Distinguishing Dharma and Dhramata

4) As I know, it deals with bhumi up to 10th. But through Dzogchen, it is said that 13th bhumi could be reached. Where can I find any sutra or tantra mentioning 13th bhumi?

Thanks.

Re: Studying Uttaratantra Shastra

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:52 pm
by smcj
...you may also find some of these talks useful.

http://ktgr.dscloud.me/moodle/course/in ... egoryid=41
Thanks!