The Point of Lineage Prayers

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The Point of Lineage Prayers

Post by Miroku » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:19 pm

Hi,

I'd like to ask what is the point of lineage prayers? What is the benefit of reciting/singing them?
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Re: The Point of Lineage Prayers

Post by heart » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:35 pm

Miroku wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:19 pm
Hi,

I'd like to ask what is the point of lineage prayers? What is the benefit of reciting/singing them?
It is the vast and profound appreciation for the transmission that makes your Guru Yoga shine.

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Re: The Point of Lineage Prayers

Post by Miroku » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:44 pm

heart wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:35 pm
Miroku wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:19 pm
Hi,

I'd like to ask what is the point of lineage prayers? What is the benefit of reciting/singing them?
It is the vast and profound appreciation for the transmission that makes your Guru Yoga shine.

/magnus
I see, so it helps develop devotion?
A boat delivers you to the other riverbank.
A needle stitches up your clothes.
A horse takes you where you want to go.
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Re: The Point of Lineage Prayers

Post by Josef » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:38 pm

Miroku wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:44 pm
heart wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:35 pm
Miroku wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:19 pm
Hi,

I'd like to ask what is the point of lineage prayers? What is the benefit of reciting/singing them?
It is the vast and profound appreciation for the transmission that makes your Guru Yoga shine.

/magnus
I see, so it helps develop devotion?
That and much more. Lineage prayers inspire our practice and reconnect us to the blessings of the lineage.
Kye ma!
The river of continuity is marked by impermanence.
Ceaseless flowing of appearance.
Beautiful and repulsive.
The dance of life and death is a display of the vast expanse.
With gratitude the watcher and the watched pass through the barrier of duality.

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Re: The Point of Lineage Prayers

Post by Miroku » Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:07 pm

Josef wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:38 pm
Miroku wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:44 pm
heart wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:35 pm


It is the vast and profound appreciation for the transmission that makes your Guru Yoga shine.

/magnus
I see, so it helps develop devotion?
That and much more. Lineage prayers inspire our practice and reconnect us to the blessings of the lineage.
Ah, thank you!
A boat delivers you to the other riverbank.
A needle stitches up your clothes.
A horse takes you where you want to go.
Bodhicitta will bring you to Buddhahood.
~ Khunu Lama Rinpoche

Even non-buddhists have many virtuous accomplishments
~ Jigten Sumgon

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Re: The Point of Lineage Prayers

Post by Fortyeightvows » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:06 am

sutras also list all the names of those present

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Re: The Point of Lineage Prayers

Post by pemachophel » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:08 pm

Consider:

The lineage starts with Samantrabhadra or Vajradhara. In Nyingma, it goes to Vajrasattva and then to Garab Dorje, Shri Singha, Jampal Shenyen, etc. to Guru Rinpoche, Yeshe Tshogyal, King Trisong Deutsan, etc. and then to Longchenpa, Jigme Lingpa, etc. down to who? Your Teacher. So would Garab Dorje have given the transmission to a dud? Then what about Jampal Sheneyn, Guru Rinpoche, etc. Each link in this chain was karmically destined and each of these Teachers mastered what needed to be mastered, Realized what needed to be Realized. That makes your Teacher pretty special doesn't it? Especially if, as in most Nyingma lineages, the line is quite short and direct. And then, who comes after Your Teacher? Who? You. So that makes you very special too. Without getting a swelled head over it, you can be confident in your karmic connection to all these great spiritual Masters and Mistresses. This means you, me, we are not just some random slumps. It also means we can do this. There are no mistakes in karma. E-ma-ho!

Now let's really practice!
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Re: The Point of Lineage Prayers

Post by Mönlam Tharchin » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:16 pm

:good:
With a heart wandering in ignorance down this path and that, to guide me I simply say Namu-amida-butsu. -- Ippen

If in your heart you hold the thought, "I shall continue to utter the nembutsu," the Buddha will turn his attention to you, and thus you are one among those who are thought about and cherished. -- Master Hōnen

The Buddhas and Bodhisattvas have unobstructed vision in all directions. Everything is in their presence; and I stand in front of them. -- Shantideva, Guide to the Bodhisattva Way of Life

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Re: The Point of Lineage Prayers

Post by Miroku » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:18 pm

pemachophel wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:08 pm
Consider:

The lineage starts with Samantrabhadra or Vajradhara. In Nyingma, it goes to Vajrasattva and then to Garab Dorje, Shri Singha, Jampal Shenyen, etc. to Guru Rinpoche, Yeshe Tshogyal, King Trisong Deutsan, etc. and then to Longchenpa, Jigme Lingpa, etc. down to who? Your Teacher. So would Garab Dorje have given the transmission to a dud? Then what about Jampal Sheneyn, Guru Rinpoche, etc. Each link in this chain was karmically destined and each of these Teachers mastered what needed to be mastered, Realized what needed to be Realized. That makes your Teacher pretty special doesn't it? Especially if, as in most Nyingma lineages, the line is quite short and direct. And then, who comes after Your Teacher? Who? You. So that makes you very special too. Without getting a swelled head over it, you can be confident in your karmic connection to all these great spiritual Masters and Mistresses. This means you, me, we are not just some random slumps. It also means we can do this. There are no mistakes in karma. E-ma-ho!

Now let's really practice!
:good:

Thanks, that's pretty encouraging. I once read an article by Khandro Rinpoche where she talked about vajrayana practitioners not being meek. And lately as I went back to the basics (ngöndro) I am more appreciating the confidence and trust in practice that arises slowly. I can't say that I have amazing visions, dreams or even that I have discoverd my true nature, but I can say I was once present and even maybe felt sth like compassion. :D Not much but still nice to see it works. :lol:
A boat delivers you to the other riverbank.
A needle stitches up your clothes.
A horse takes you where you want to go.
Bodhicitta will bring you to Buddhahood.
~ Khunu Lama Rinpoche

Even non-buddhists have many virtuous accomplishments
~ Jigten Sumgon

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