Is Padmasambhava a Nirmanakaya Buddha?

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Is Padmasambhava a Nirmanakaya Buddha?

Post by Luke » Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:55 pm

Ngawang Drolma wrote:
Luke wrote: http://www.abuddhistlibrary.com/Buddhis ... 0Kayas.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That webpage said the following: "The Supreme emanation takes birth in the world as a unique person. Buddha Shakyamuni and Guru Padmasambhava are examples of this kind. They have special forms of body, speech and mind."

So it would seem, at least accoding to Vajrayana Buddhists, that Padmasambhava was also a Nirmanakaya Buddha who appeared before Maitreya. I wonder if there were any other Nirmanakaya Buddhas in our kalpa besides Shakyamuni and Guru Rinpoche.
Hi Luke,

Your question is interesting! I haven't heard Padmasambhava specifically referred to as a nirmanakya. But he is certainly very, very special and he passed dharmas to our lineage holders.
Well, the quote from that webpage certainly implies it, but that's just one source.

I found the following on another webpage:
This great master [Padmasambhava] was not an ordinary person on the path or just a noble being on one of the bodhisattva bhumis but an emanation of both Buddha Amitabha and Shakyamuni who appeared in order to tame the human beings and spirits difficult to convert.
Even the great bodhisattvas are incapable of fully explaining his life example...

http://www.rangjung.com/authors/padmasambhava.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So, Padmasambhava was an emanation of Shakyamuni. Perhaps all beings which are emanations of Shakyamuni are Nirmanakaya Buddhas?

I guess I need to find the details of what being an emanation entails now, so I can look into this further.

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Re: Is Padmasambhava a Nirmanakaya Buddha?

Post by Ngawang Drolma » Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:57 pm

Luke,

Thanks very much for this. I'm interested in hearing more!

Kindly,
Laura

:namaste:

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Re: Is Padmasambhava a Nirmanakaya Buddha?

Post by sraddha » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:06 am

I would love to get the main sutras which discuss the meaning of the Trikaya!

Are the entire Sangha (Bodhisatvas, Arahants-Srotapana's) all emanations of the Buddha Nirmanakaya???

Or is only the Buddha's earthly body the emanation?

All three have touched the Dharmakaya and are considered born of the Dharma, from Tathagatha's mouth.

Interesting question indeed!

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Re: Is Padmasambhava a Nirmanakaya Buddha?

Post by The one » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:23 am

Hi ,

Padma sambhava isn't emanation of shakyamuni . Instead , he is associated with amitabha .

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Re: Is Padmasambhava a Nirmanakaya Buddha?

Post by Simon E. » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:43 am

Which Padmasambhava?
If you use the word 'mind' without defining your terms I will ask you politely for a definition. :smile:
This is not to be awkward. But it's really not self-explanatory.

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Re: Is Padmasambhava a Nirmanakaya Buddha?

Post by Tiago Simões » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:18 am

...
Guru Buddha Amitabha, please hear us.
Look here from dharmakaya’s sphere beyond concepts.
Lead us with bad karma, who roam in samsara,
To Sukhavati’s realm of pure perfection.

Guru Avalokiteshvara, please hear us.
Look from sambhogakaya’s realm, lucid knowing.
Calm from their root the pains of the six beings,
Churn from their depths the three realms of samsara.

Guru Padmasambhava, please hear us.
Look here from Chamara’s Lotus Light palace,
On us who are helpless, your Dark Age disciples,
Please rescue us right now with your compassion.
...
I've always just thought about it like this...
Amitabha, Avalokiteshvara and Padmasambhava. Dharmakaya, Sambhogakaya and Nirmanakaya.

Of course I'm not very learned.

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Re: Is Padmasambhava a Nirmanakaya Buddha?

Post by The one » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:15 pm

tiagolps wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:18 am
...
Guru Buddha Amitabha, please hear us.
Look here from dharmakaya’s sphere beyond concepts.
Lead us with bad karma, who roam in samsara,
To Sukhavati’s realm of pure perfection.

Guru Avalokiteshvara, please hear us.
Look from sambhogakaya’s realm, lucid knowing.
Calm from their root the pains of the six beings,
Churn from their depths the three realms of samsara.

Guru Padmasambhava, please hear us.
Look here from Chamara’s Lotus Light palace,
On us who are helpless, your Dark Age disciples,
Please rescue us right now with your compassion.
...
I've always just thought about it like this...
Amitabha, Avalokiteshvara and Padmasambhava. Dharmakaya, Sambhogakaya and Nirmanakaya.

Of course I'm not very learned.
They all have trikaya .

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Re: Is Padmasambhava a Nirmanakaya Buddha?

Post by The one » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:07 pm

Don't underestimate anything , especially the dharma , we create unwholesomeness and suffer at the end .

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Re: Is Padmasambhava a Nirmanakaya Buddha?

Post by The one » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:08 pm

Dharma friend ,
Please inform me if my previous last post is not proper . I am just starting to post on this forum .
Thank you .

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Re: Is Padmasambhava a Nirmanakaya Buddha?

Post by Josef » Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:19 am

tiagolps wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:18 am
...
Guru Buddha Amitabha, please hear us.
Look here from dharmakaya’s sphere beyond concepts.
Lead us with bad karma, who roam in samsara,
To Sukhavati’s realm of pure perfection.

Guru Avalokiteshvara, please hear us.
Look from sambhogakaya’s realm, lucid knowing.
Calm from their root the pains of the six beings,
Churn from their depths the three realms of samsara.

Guru Padmasambhava, please hear us.
Look here from Chamara’s Lotus Light palace,
On us who are helpless, your Dark Age disciples,
Please rescue us right now with your compassion.
...
I've always just thought about it like this...
Amitabha, Avalokiteshvara and Padmasambhava. Dharmakaya, Sambhogakaya and Nirmanakaya.

Of course I'm not very learned.
That's what it is.
Amitabha (Dharmakaya), Avalokitesvara (Sambhogakaya), Padmasambhava (Nirmanakaya).
There are countless nirmanakaya buddhas. Maitreya appears when Shakyamuni's dharma is no longer present in the world and turns the wheels again.
Kye ma!
The river of continuity is marked by impermanence.
Ceaseless flowing of appearance.
Beautiful and repulsive.
The dance of life and death is a display of the vast expanse.
With gratitude the watcher and the watched pass through the barrier of duality.

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Re: Is Padmasambhava a Nirmanakaya Buddha?

Post by tingdzin » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:11 am

There are different doctrinal interpretations of the Precious Teacher, even within the Nyingmapa school. Best not to get too involved with doctrinal hairsplitting like "emanation" vs. "nirmanakaya" and do more Padmasambhava practice.

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Re: Is Padmasambhava a Nirmanakaya Buddha?

Post by AlexanderS » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:54 pm

I remember that my teacher explanied in a teaching that both Shakyamuni and padmasambhava are supreme nirmanakayas who appear together as a team in a trillion universes to teach the sutras and tantras respectfully.

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Re: Is Padmasambhava a Nirmanakaya Buddha?

Post by Sonam Wangchug » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:12 pm

AlexanderS wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:54 pm
I remember that my teacher explanied in a teaching that both Shakyamuni and padmasambhava are supreme nirmanakayas who appear together as a team in a trillion universes to teach the sutras and tantras respectfully.
For the 1002 Buddha's there will be 1002 respective emanations of Guru rinpoche as well, Tulku urgyen rinpoche mentioned it but I don't remember in which book, Rainbow painting perhaps?

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